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From: BURT on 25 Jul 2010 18:06
But the radiation energy must come out of a single particle not the
whole atom. So how does the difference in atom mass end up in one
particle of the atom to be radiated? And what particle out of the many
would get chosen for the energy difference and how?

Mitch Raemsch
From: Hayek on 25 Jul 2010 19:27
BURT wrote:
> But the radiation energy must come out of a single
> particle not the whole atom. So how does the
> difference in atom mass end up in one particle of the
> atom to be radiated? And what particle out of the
> many would get chosen for the energy difference and
> how?

These particles consist of quarks and gluons. It was
predicted that part of these constituent particles were
made of motional energy, like the photon deriving its
mass/energy from its speed. Recently it was even
experimentally proved that some of them consist for 80%
of motional energy.

You should not see the nucleus of an atom as particles
that just stick together. There is a lot of interaction
of the internals of the particles. There is oscillation,
and constant exchange of internals, such that protons
turn into neutrons and vice versa by exchanging quark
types.

If something happens to the nucleus, and it splits, for
instance, the energy balance does not add up anymore.
It is like the game were the music stops and the
participants have to find a chair, but there are not
enough chairs. The energies that cannot find a chair are
emitted.

Uwe Hayek.


--
We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate
inversion : the stage where the government is free to do
anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by
permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of
human history. -- Ayn Rand

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretense of taking care of them. --
Thomas Jefferson.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue
is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.
From: BURT on 25 Jul 2010 20:21
On Jul 25, 4:27 pm, Hayek <haye...(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> BURT wrote:
> > But the radiation energy must come out of a single
> > particle not the whole atom. So how does the
> > difference in atom mass end up in one particle of the
> > atom to be radiated? And what particle out of the
> > many would get chosen for the energy difference and
> > how?
>
> These particles consist of quarks and gluons. It was
> predicted that part of these constituent particles were
> made of motional energy, like the photon deriving its
> mass/energy from its speed. Recently it was even
> experimentally proved that some of them consist for 80%
> of motional energy.
>
> You should not see the nucleus of an atom as particles
> that just stick together. There is a lot of interaction
> of the internals of the particles. There is oscillation,
> and constant exchange of internals, such that protons
> turn into neutrons and vice versa by exchanging quark
> types.
>
> If something happens to the nucleus, and it splits, for
> instance, the energy balance does not add up anymore.
> It is like the game were the music stops and the
> participants have to find a chair, but there are not
> enough chairs. The energies that cannot find a chair are
> emitted.
>
> Uwe Hayek.

But how does the total atom extra energy end up in the one particle
that emits Hayek?

Mitch Raemsch


>
> --
> We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate
> inversion : the stage where the government is free to do
> anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by
> permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of
> human history. -- Ayn Rand
>
> I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
> prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
> people under the pretense of taking care of them. --
> Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
> ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue
> is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.

From: Hayek on 26 Jul 2010 10:49
BURT wrote:
> On Jul 25, 4:27 pm, Hayek <haye...(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> BURT wrote:
>>> But the radiation energy must come out of a single
>>> particle not the whole atom. So how does the
>>> difference in atom mass end up in one particle of the
>>> atom to be radiated? And what particle out of the
>>> many would get chosen for the energy difference and
>>> how?
>> These particles consist of quarks and gluons. It was
>> predicted that part of these constituent particles were
>> made of motional energy, like the photon deriving its
>> mass/energy from its speed. Recently it was even
>> experimentally proved that some of them consist for 80%
>> of motional energy.
>>
>> You should not see the nucleus of an atom as particles
>> that just stick together. There is a lot of interaction
>> of the internals of the particles. There is oscillation,
>> and constant exchange of internals, such that protons
>> turn into neutrons and vice versa by exchanging quark
>> types.
>>
>> If something happens to the nucleus, and it splits, for
>> instance, the energy balance does not add up anymore.
>> It is like the game were the music stops and the
>> participants have to find a chair, but there are not
>> enough chairs. The energies that cannot find a chair are
>> emitted.
>>
>> Uwe Hayek.
>
> But how does the total atom extra energy end up in the one particle
> that emits Hayek?

If it emits a particle, then this is probably because
there was one to many for stability. The residual
emitted particles or energies are just emitted because
of there is now a different composition of the nucleus.

Again, do not look at the particles as having firmly
fixed properties. Think of them as a jelly with lumps.

Uwe Hayek.


--
We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate
inversion : the stage where the government is free to do
anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by
permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of
human history. -- Ayn Rand

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretense of taking care of them. --
Thomas Jefferson.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue
is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.
From: BURT on 26 Jul 2010 16:18
On Jul 26, 7:49 am, Hayek <haye...(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> BURT wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 4:27 pm, Hayek <haye...(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >> BURT wrote:
> >>> But the radiation energy must come out of a single
> >>> particle not the whole atom. So how does the
> >>> difference in atom mass end up in one particle of the
> >>> atom to be radiated? And what particle out of the
> >>> many would get chosen for the energy difference and
> >>> how?
> >> These particles consist of quarks and gluons. It was
> >> predicted that part of these constituent particles were
> >> made of motional energy, like the photon deriving its
> >> mass/energy from its speed. Recently it was even
> >> experimentally proved that some of them consist for 80%
> >> of motional energy.
>
> >> You should not see the nucleus of an atom as particles
> >> that just stick together. There is a lot of interaction
> >> of the internals of the particles. There is oscillation,
> >> and constant exchange of internals, such that protons
> >> turn into neutrons and vice versa by exchanging quark
> >> types.
>
> >> If something happens to the nucleus, and it splits, for
> >> instance, the energy balance does not add up anymore.
> >> It is like the game were the music stops and the
> >> participants have to find a chair, but there are not
> >> enough chairs. The energies that cannot find a chair are
> >> emitted.
>
> >> Uwe Hayek.
>
> > But how does the total atom extra energy end up in the one particle
> > that emits Hayek?
>
> If it emits a particle, then this is probably because
> there was one to many for stability. The residual
> emitted particles or energies are just emitted because
> of there is now a different composition of the nucleus.
>
> Again, do not look at the particles as having firmly
> fixed properties. Think of them as a jelly with lumps.
>
> Uwe Hayek.
>
> --
> We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate
> inversion : the stage where the government is free to do
> anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by
> permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of
> human history. -- Ayn Rand
>
> I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
> prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
> people under the pretense of taking care of them. --
> Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
> ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue
> is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How does the whole atom's difference in energy get emited by one of
its many particles?

No. Particles have fundamental energy and this cannot be released.
Fundamental masses of particles do not change in the atom.

Mitchy Raemsch
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