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From: dpb on 31 May 2010 16:50 Rune Allnor wrote: > On 31 Mai, 19:51, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: >> Rune Allnor wrote: >>> On 31 Mai, 15:42, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: >>>> I would simply ask that you just hold the vitriol on Fortran though; >>> So why are you picking the fight in the first place? >> I'm only responding when you go off on the diatribe -- there was a >> little chuckle aside earlier in the thread just for grins but as the >> smiley showed, that's all it was. > > Was it? You're saying it wasn't? A :) indicated a certain amount of levity intended afaik... >> You made a response that was reasoned to which I pointed out that >> Fortran also has generic procedures. In your response to that you then >> went off on the rant. > > What rant? ... .... _WHAT_ rant....???? [Book-long rantings elided...] Whoa, chill, dood!!! Sorry if pointing out the interpretation of the sentence bugs you, but that's a little over the top methinks. --
From: Rune Allnor on 31 May 2010 17:03 On 31 Mai, 22:50, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > Rune Allnor wrote: > > On 31 Mai, 19:51, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > >> Rune Allnor wrote: > >>> On 31 Mai, 15:42, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > >>>> I would simply ask that you just hold the vitriol on Fortran though; > >>> So why are you picking the fight in the first place? > >> I'm only responding when you go off on the diatribe -- there was a > >> little chuckle aside earlier in the thread just for grins but as the > >> smiley showed, that's all it was. > > > Was it? > > You're saying it wasn't? A :) indicated a certain amount of levity > intended afaik... ....about as much as a five-year-old thinks "it was a joke!" alleviates him after yanking somebody's chain. Rune
From: Roger Stafford on 31 May 2010 17:32 Rune Allnor <allnor(a)tele.ntnu.no> wrote in message <cada408f-977b-4a0b-aa14-a8127eaab547(a)v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>... > On 31 Mai, 22:50, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > Rune Allnor wrote: > > > On 31 Mai, 19:51, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > >> Rune Allnor wrote: > > >>> On 31 Mai, 15:42, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > >>>> I would simply ask that you just hold the vitriol on Fortran though; > > >>> So why are you picking the fight in the first place? > > >> I'm only responding when you go off on the diatribe -- there was a > > >> little chuckle aside earlier in the thread just for grins but as the > > >> smiley showed, that's all it was. > > > > > Was it? > > > > You're saying it wasn't? A :) indicated a certain amount of levity > > intended afaik... > > ...about as much as a five-year-old thinks "it was a joke!" > alleviates him after yanking somebody's chain. > > Rune Hey, Rune and dpb, how about declaring a truce? You are both great guys and it seems a shame that two such experienced individuals as yourselves who have each contributed so much to people asking for help on this newsgroup should waste so much energy engaging in this particular disagreement. I predict that if you do, by tomorrow after the ruffled feathers have been smoothed out, it will all seem like a waste of time to each of you. I admit there have been times when I managed to get riled up over issues in this and other groups, but in the long run it is surely self-defeating to carry disagreements beyond a certain point. Remember the warning that is posted above each post entry which reads, "Your message will be read by thousands of MATLAB users worldwide." I would add that these CSSM threads are also read by quite a few other people throughout the world who are not CSSM subscribers. Roger Stafford
From: Walter Roberson on 31 May 2010 18:00 Rune Allnor wrote: > I have compared fortran's role as a programming language > with the steam engine: Of significant historical importance > but obsolete by today. Would you accept such a claim about > steam engines from somebody who does not have hands-on > experience with them? > > If 'yes' - on what grounds? I would only consider accepting such a claim from someone who had studied steam engines enough to know their strengths and weaknesses. Especially as steam engines are not obsolete today, though they are not as common as they once were. Different applications have different needs. You have not even claimed to have studied programming language design or computing theory. I work in scientific research, currently on building experimental programs for which efficiency and generality and extendability and maintainability is not as important as the practical matter of getting something working. We do the infrastructure development in Matlab because it is a decent prototyping language. The parts where speed are important get done in C or C++ or Fortran. The process of development of scientific ideas does not consider ability of the average human to understand the source to be overly important, at least not for the work of small teams -- after all, the average human (and average programmer) would not understand the math or science anyhow. Get an idea implemented and test it out: when the 95% of ideas that don't work or don't work better enough to bother have been weeded out, *then* it is time to worry about longer term goals. That doesn't mean that we write needlessly messy code -- but it does mean that we recognize the value of multiple tools and use whatever is best suited at the time for getting something accomplished. > Do I have to educate *two* native English-speakers on the matter? > Do you comment on my criticism, which from your writings I have no > reason to believe you have read? Or do you catch on to dpb's > misunderstanding of what I criticized him of? > > Commas are irrelevant towhat I criticized in dpb's post. *Read* his > post; contemplate the semantics. Selection of words. Phrasings. I read his posts; I read your posts. You assume words that are not present. I understood his meaning immediately, the first time I read his words.
From: us on 31 May 2010 18:25
"Roger Stafford" <ellieandrogerxyzzy(a)mindspring.com.invalid> wrote in message <hu19sj$e4b$1(a)fred.mathworks.com>... > Rune Allnor <allnor(a)tele.ntnu.no> wrote in message <cada408f-977b-4a0b-aa14-a8127eaab547(a)v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>... > > On 31 Mai, 22:50, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > > Rune Allnor wrote: > > > > On 31 Mai, 19:51, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > > >> Rune Allnor wrote: > > > >>> On 31 Mai, 15:42, dpb <n...(a)non.net> wrote: > > > >>>> I would simply ask that you just hold the vitriol on Fortran though; > > > >>> So why are you picking the fight in the first place? > > > >> I'm only responding when you go off on the diatribe -- there was a > > > >> little chuckle aside earlier in the thread just for grins but as the > > > >> smiley showed, that's all it was. > > > > > > > Was it? > > > > > > You're saying it wasn't? A :) indicated a certain amount of levity > > > intended afaik... > > > > ...about as much as a five-year-old thinks "it was a joke!" > > alleviates him after yanking somebody's chain. > > > > Rune > > Hey, Rune and dpb, how about declaring a truce? You are both great guys and it seems a shame that two such experienced individuals as yourselves who have each contributed so much to people asking for help on this newsgroup should waste so much energy engaging in this particular disagreement. I predict that if you do, by tomorrow after the ruffled feathers have been smoothed out, it will all seem like a waste of time to each of you. > > I admit there have been times when I managed to get riled up over issues in this and other groups, but in the long run it is surely self-defeating to carry disagreements beyond a certain point. Remember the warning that is posted above each post entry which reads, "Your message will be read by thousands of MATLAB users worldwide." I would add that these CSSM threads are also read by quite a few other people throughout the world who are not CSSM subscribers. > > Roger Stafford i fully second roger's reply... most seasoned senior CSSMers duane bozarth and rune allnor: PLEASE(!!!!!)... shake hands and go on with a smile... urs |