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From: Benj on 8 Jul 2010 01:11 On Jul 8, 12:13 am, Michael C <michaelcochr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I just finished watching a show on the Science Channel about Stephen > Hawking and the question of information being lost in a black hole. > The next show is on time travel and whether or not time travel is > possible. I saw a show like this one before. It might even be the > same one. Well, it got me thinking just now about time. I think I > finally figured out what time is. A moment in time is a specific > configuration of the universe!! So if you want to go "back to" a > certain moment in time, you can do so by changing the configuration of > the universe to what it was at that moment in time. For example, to > bring people back to life, you'd have to reconstruct their exact > bodies with their DNA sequences etc using the basic elements. Does > this make sense in theory? It's like System Restore on a Windows > machine - but you'd have to change the entire universe if you wanted > to really go back to a certain moment in time. I guess, you could > just change the local universe and be happy with the results. So yes, > time travel is possible!! Lessee. Time is your perception of events. And your perception of events depends on the configuration of the universe. If you choose to "time travel", then the entire universe quickly changes its configuration to match your wishes! What a totally arrogant idea! You must either have a God complex or are a physicist! You probably think the standard theory that says that the moon doesn't exist until you look at it is true too. I guess that's what happens when you get your "science" from TV and physics gets it's money and science from the power elite. Look. Evidence is that time manifests as your perception of events. Hence time is integrally connected with consciousness. If physics weren't so hide-bound by forbidden topics, it would be obvious that time-travel is possible. Yogis and gurus have been saying so for just about ever. But note they travel time in their PERCEPTION of events. It's a hint, bunky. So how shall we model time? Imagine if you will a huge "matrix" of physics. And by that I mean the usual scientific definition of "God". Which is to say all matter, rules, actions, laws of nature, and in short all that exists or is POSSIBLE to exist. Imagine not that this matrix contains all possible events that could occur in "time". And imagine that they are arranged to that they are "connected" in some way which is to say one point on this matrix being a point it "time" is causal to other points and vice versa. Hence "time" is clearly produced by the "velocity of consciousness" traveling over the matrix playing it like a phonograph record! Note that in reality all events are FIXED. They all exist simultaneously. It is your PERCEPTION of these events in your consciousness that is strung out giving "time". And there is another matter. That is that everyone perceives time in synchronicity. Hence somehow there is a mechanism that "locks" all our "consciousnesses" together. Carl Jung called this "lock" the "Collective Unconscious". Hence this "collective" attraction if you will maintains each of our consciousnesses on the same collective track that we call "history" in the past, and "future" at a later point. It is a trajectory through the matrix of existence. OK? So now let us talk about "time travel". So how would one "travel" into the past? Well the past is there. It is fixed in the matrix forever. And the path we all took through the matrix at that time is also fixed because, well, it was the path we all took! It's "history"! So say we want to take a gander at some important historical event. How do we do that? Well, conceptually it's easy. You simply train your consciousness to let go of the collective unconscious and travel back along our "historical" time line through the matrix. When you reach the "time" in question, you stop the velocity of your consciousness and reverse it into a "forward" direction through the matrix. At that point you are "playing" (which to YOU seems like "experiencing") history exactly as it happened. Got it? But what about time travel to the future? Bad news. If as some believe causality is a fixed and total law in the universe one COULD do that. But as it turns out there is a thing called "free will". This means that man has been given the ability to slightly ALTER the path of not only YOUR consciousness into the matrix but collectively that alters the "collective unconsciousness" as well. This means that as we all plow into the future we have the ability to alter our collective trajectory meaning that "history" is not "fixed" it is not "written" as some religions seem to believe. So, what CAN one experience when on directs one's consciousness into the future direction of our "time line"? Clearly one cannot create totally accurate prophesy. The above explanation shows why that is not possible. Even God (the matrix) does not "know" the future. It's not possible. to know it. The best one can do is to experience the "most probable" future. And of course the changes at every moment depending on our collective choices. And it's obvious that "God" knows all possible events that COULD happen in the future since it's possible to know all possible trajectories from a given "now" point. But the trajectory that "history" actually WILL take cannot be known with complete certainty. Finally there is the question of "alternate universes" or "alternate realities". Imagine if you will that in addition to pathway of the "collective unconsciousness" that created "history" and is creating the future, you have trained your consciousness to such a degree that you can experience ANY path in the matrix. For example a path exactly parallel to but displaced a distance in "time" from the pathway we call "history". Clearly that is also a "history"! But it's not the SAME as OUR history! Hence it appears as a "parallel universe". Sure you can "experience" it but note that you can't simply relax and let your consciousness "lock" to this new time line the way you can to OUR time line. That is because there is no "collective unconscious" there to provide the fields and forces that normally keep us all locked to our time lines. In this case if you stop "forcing" the issue you''ll simply be pulled by the "collective unconscious" back to our line of "history". Think about these things. But please remember that I have been officially branded a "kook", a "crackpot", a "nutcase", and have been deemed too dangerous to be allowed to discuss physics in self-styled "official" places like the Physics Forum where I'm banned for life. Go buy a handbook of Chemistry and Physics. Never forget that the only "science" that is permitted by those who control all the "professional" associations and money is to allow you to fill in any blank places you find in your handbook. Any attempt to extend your thoughts to forbidden topics such as time, aether, evolution, or structure of the universe in general will insure that you'll never be allowed to work in science for the rest of your life. A word to the wise. Now go read a freshman text book and be able to repeat every word you found there. If you have any questions, please go ask "Sam Wormley" and blindly accept everything he tells you. That is all. Dismissed. For the record: The "velocity of consciousness" = c.
From: Michael C on 8 Jul 2010 01:31 On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/7/10 11:13 PM, Michael C wrote: > > > I just finished watching a show on the Science Channel about Stephen > > Hawking and the question of information being lost in a black hole. > > Did you find out the information is not lost? Yep. I saw another show on the Science Channel a few weeks back where they explained it. I didn't know there was a controversy. They also showed how there are black holes at the centers of many galaxies and that some galaxies have two black holes dancing around each other, the result of two galaxies colliding into each other. Very cool stuff.
From: Y.Porat on 8 Jul 2010 10:10 On Jul 8, 6:13 am, Michael C <michaelcochr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I just finished watching a show on the Science Channel about Stephen > Hawking and the question of information being lost in a black hole. > The next show is on time travel and whether or not time travel is > possible. I saw a show like this one before. It might even be the > same one. Well, it got me thinking just now about time. I think I > finally figured out what time is. A moment in time is a specific > configuration of the universe!! So if you want to go "back to" a > certain moment in time, you can do so by changing the configuration of > the universe to what it was at that moment in time. For example, to > bring people back to life, you'd have to reconstruct their exact > bodies with their DNA sequences etc using the basic elements. Does > this make sense in theory? It's like System Restore on a Windows > machine - but you'd have to change the entire universe if you wanted > to really go back to a certain moment in time. I guess, you could > just change the local universe and be happy with the results. So yes, > time travel is possible!! -------------- you cant go back in 'univeraal Time because in order to do it you must go back not only locally-- but you have to 'reproduce' (restore) **any*** (repeat any) tiny part of the unive parts as they were before -- to be exactly relative to any other tiny detail of the 'past universe' iow it is not enough to ' restore' only *a part * of the universe (or evn if are such many universe it is much more impossible ) Time is nothing but - relative motion or translation -- to some (arbitrary chosen) - motion reference !! Y.Porat ----------------------
From: Sam Wormley on 8 Jul 2010 18:29 On 7/8/10 12:31 AM, Michael C wrote: > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/7/10 11:13 PM, Michael C wrote: >> >>> I just finished watching a show on the Science Channel about Stephen >>> Hawking and the question of information being lost in a black hole. >> >> Did you find out the information is not lost? > > Yep. I saw another show on the Science Channel a few weeks back where > they explained it. I didn't know there was a controversy. You might enjoy reading Suskind's book, "The Black Hole War: My Battle with Stephen Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum Mechanics". http://www.amazon.com/Black-Hole-War-Stephen-Mechanics/dp/0316016403
From: Raymond Yohros on 8 Jul 2010 18:52
On Jul 8, 5:29 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/8/10 12:31 AM, Michael C wrote: > > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 7/7/10 11:13 PM, Michael C wrote: > > >>> I just finished watching a show on the Science Channel about Stephen > >>> Hawking and the question of information being lost in a black hole. > > >> Did you find out the information is not lost? > > > Yep. I saw another show on the Science Channel a few weeks back where > > they explained it. I didn't know there was a controversy. > > You might enjoy reading Suskind's book, "The Black Hole War: My > Battle with Stephen Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum > Mechanics". > http://www.amazon.com/Black-Hole-War-Stephen-Mechanics/dp/0316016403 > that information is lost in bh was the biggest blunder in steven hawking's career. i still don't understand why he did believe that! r.y |