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From: Thomas Heger on 9 Jun 2010 16:00 Thomas Heger schrieb: > guskz(a)hotmail.com schrieb: >> Disturbing when a neighbor's house burns, but then believe ours can't? >> >> Disturbing when we acknowledge facts that LHC can't produce a black >> hole, but then disregard other facts that show the opposite? >> >> >> Fact#1: Protons like Matter traveling at near-speed of light contract >> to almost a singularity before, during & after a collision. >> >> Fact#2: LHC has "no" instrument to look into such a tiny singularity. >> >> Fact#3: LHC has seen an unestimated & abnormally high amount of >> particles created from the collision. >> >> Fact#4: There should be quantum folds more particles within the near >> singularity that LHC cannot observe, lest relativistic length >> contraction be a lie. >> >> Fact#5: LHC acknowledges that an abnormally high amount of particle >> collisions can generate a black hole, lest the sun's imploding >> particles do not collide, and compress into each other, and within an >> very small space. >> >> Fact#6: The bible specifices a mystery, AT THE LAST TRUMP, where we >> shall not all sleep, but in the blink of an eye, become incorruptible. >> >> Fact#7: When angels appear in the bible, the location of their feet >> represents location of nations and locations of big events. >> >> Fact#8: The LAST TRUMP in Revelation, there's also a great mystery as >> told by the prophets, and the Angel has the foot representing the West >> in the Ocean, and the foot representing the East on land: THIS IS >> EUROPE. And the big event, in the blink of an eye, will produce a >> black hole, where as Revelation explains it, the earth will vanish as >> a scroll when it is rolled-up. >> >> > Actually they could produce something called 'leptonic magnetic monopole'. > http://www.znaturforsch.com/aa/v62a/62a0231.pdf > Certainly something you wouldn't like to have in your vicinity neither, > especially if it is a BIG one. > > TH Maybe I shall write something about the idea behind such monopoles. (btw: here is the correct link http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/MEMOS/GLmonopole/ZsNaturforschung-GL2007.pdf) My model is called 'structured spacetime'. According to this matter is a timelike stable structure within something I call spacetime. If now someone attempts to overcome an energy barrier, that guarantees this spacetime to be continuous, that would create a state, where the timeline would point away from ours. This would be a very bad thing to have, because the matter in the neighborhood would follow. And than the matter in the neighborhood of that and so forth. It is only somehow similar to a black hole. Its more like a structure called wormhole, which would be hazardous to this planet, if it had to pass. Such 'monopoles' could be imagined as a chunk of matter turned 'sideways' (or, as I prefer: Wick rotated). These effects are proven to exist, thats way I provided the link. TH
From: Inertial on 9 Jun 2010 20:29 "dlzc" <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:e6c8661c-d2fc-4f86-a46a-808810f31b44(a)j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com... > Dear Inertial: > > On Jun 8, 11:35 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "john" <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote in message > ... >> > So why is that surprising? >> >> Because it was not expected/predicted to be >> that many of that type of particle produced. >> Something unexpected happened. I don't think >> it was a HUGE many orders of magnitude >> unexpected value tho. So not a BIG surprise. >> >> > Wind your BMW up to about 300km/hr and hit >> a brick wall. Are their more and smaller >> > pieces than when you hit that same wall at >> > 160km/hr? >> >> Not a relevant analogy. A BMW breaking into >> pieces is expected (though one would not like >> it to happen to one's own BMW if one had one) > > Like the BMW breaking into and Audi, and several tens of fully formed > rubber tires? :):) .. sorta. But an Audi would be an unexpected type of particle. In the LHC there were not unexpected types of particles, just an unexpected number of them. And there were no more matter/energy output than input. So the tire analogy isn't quite right either :)
From: Uncle Al on 9 Jun 2010 21:19 Inertial wrote: > > "dlzc" <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote in message > news:e6c8661c-d2fc-4f86-a46a-808810f31b44(a)j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com... > > Dear Inertial: > > > > On Jun 8, 11:35 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> "john" <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote in message > > ... > >> > So why is that surprising? > >> > >> Because it was not expected/predicted to be > >> that many of that type of particle produced. > >> Something unexpected happened. I don't think > >> it was a HUGE many orders of magnitude > >> unexpected value tho. So not a BIG surprise. > >> > >> > Wind your BMW up to about 300km/hr and hit > >> a brick wall. Are their more and smaller > >> > pieces than when you hit that same wall at > >> > 160km/hr? > >> > >> Not a relevant analogy. A BMW breaking into > >> pieces is expected (though one would not like > >> it to happen to one's own BMW if one had one) > > > > Like the BMW breaking into and Audi, and several tens of fully formed > > rubber tires? > > :):) .. sorta. But an Audi would be an unexpected type of particle. In the > LHC there were not unexpected types of particles, just an unexpected number > of them. And there were no more matter/energy output than input. So the > tire analogy isn't quite right either :) Plans had been for VW Rabbit and Peugeot black holes to aggregate into Karmann-Ghias and DS3s. All the LHC got was Trabants. This was spun into a triumphant declaration of Standard Model validation. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: guskz on 9 Jun 2010 21:26 On Jun 9, 2:31 am, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > On Jun 9, 12:19 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:a7a4d1d6-e6f2-400e-a8ad-181b5e61ed0a(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > > Since when do crackpots bother with facts or even know what they are > > > > Disturbing when a neighbor's house burns, but then believe ours can't? > > > > Disturbing when we acknowledge facts that LHC can't produce a black > > > hole, but then disregard other facts that show the opposite? > > > > Fact#1: Protons like Matter traveling at near-speed of light contract > > > to almost a singularity before, during & after a collision. > > > Nope .. nothing happens to the particle itself > > > > Fact#2: LHC has "no" instrument to look into such a tiny singularity. > > > Irrelevant .. there is not need to 'see' into it such a thing if it existed. > > It is a fact, but no more relevant than saying the LGC is not painted with > > purple polka dots. > > > > Fact#3: LHC has seen an unestimated & abnormally high amount of > > > particles created from the collision. > > > One thing you got right > > So why is that surprising? > Wind your BMW up to about 300km/hr and hit a brick wall. > Are their more and smaller pieces than when you hit > that same wall at 160km/hr? > > Yes. > > john Those are my very words before it happened, that a larger than expected amount of particles would be created. Because the pieces when you hit, keep re-colliding with themselves and the other cars coming in afterwords. I called it the non-escape horizon. This horizon will repeatedly form an encircling wall of collisions both from the inside and the outside.
From: guskz on 9 Jun 2010 21:27
On Jun 9, 2:35 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "john" <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote in message > > news:9ca2a2c7-55f2-44d2-be87-b5fe59907fd0(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 9, 12:19 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >>news:a7a4d1d6-e6f2-400e-a8ad-181b5e61ed0a(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com.... > > >> Since when do crackpots bother with facts or even know what they are > > >> > Disturbing when a neighbor's house burns, but then believe ours can't? > > >> > Disturbing when we acknowledge facts that LHC can't produce a black > >> > hole, but then disregard other facts that show the opposite? > > >> > Fact#1: Protons like Matter traveling at near-speed of light contract > >> > to almost a singularity before, during & after a collision. > > >> Nope .. nothing happens to the particle itself > > >> > Fact#2: LHC has "no" instrument to look into such a tiny singularity. > > >> Irrelevant .. there is not need to 'see' into it such a thing if it > >> existed. > >> It is a fact, but no more relevant than saying the LGC is not painted > >> with > >> purple polka dots. > > >> > Fact#3: LHC has seen an unestimated & abnormally high amount of > >> > particles created from the collision. > > >> One thing you got right > > > So why is that surprising? > > Because it was not expected/predicted to be that many of that type of > particle produced. Something unexpected happened. I don't think it was a > HUGE many orders of magnitude unexpected value tho. So not a BIG surprise. > > > Wind your BMW up to about 300km/hr and hit a brick wall. > > Are their more and smaller pieces than when you hit > > that same wall at 160km/hr? > > Not a relevant analogy. A BMW breaking into pieces is expected (though one > would not like it to happen to one's own BMW if one had one) In this case the velocity of the pieces can be added together and/or with the pieces to create other pieces (particles). |