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From: BURT on 1 Aug 2010 17:22
On Aug 1, 5:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 31, 11:25 am, Unified_Perspective <agall...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 31, 10:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 29, 8:53 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > > water."
>
> > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
>
> > > > > Part of the caption below reads, "the result of two waves colliding"
>
> > > > >http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/images/news/articles/ng_article...
>
> > > > > The analogy for the galaxy clusters collision is the collision between
> > > > > two boats. The bow waves associated with the boats collide and create
> > > > > a ripple. This is what occurred between the galaxy clusters. The
> > > > > displaced dark matter associated with each of the galaxy clusters
> > > > > forms a ripple when the galaxy clusters collide.
>
> > > > > The ripple is evidence of gravity waves.
> > > > > The ripple is evidence of the medium of space.
>
> > > > Dark matter was originally proposed as a hypothetical way of
> > > > explaining the manner in which the universe is expanding. There is a
> > > > mass deficit in the current mean mass-energy density in relation to
> > > > the long ago mean mass-energy density necessary to account for the
> > > > rate at which we presently measure the universe to be expanding.
>
> > > > A far more reasonable explanation of the observed data is that some
> > > > (i.e. the invisible part) of the mean mass-energy density of the past
> > > > universe was collected into black holes and dissipated through Hawking
> > > > radiation, also known as heat....
>
> > > > While it may seem reasonable to some to imagine a new form of matter
> > > > completely unlike any known matter and to find "evidence" for this
> > > > matter in quantum mechanical equations and celestial signs and
> > > > portents, this is actually the opposite of the scientific method which
> > > > is to collect data and to derive from the data relations that show
> > > > broad applicability to other known observable data. Relativity is a
> > > > very very good example of a group of individuals using data to develop
> > > > a mathematical and theoretical explanation of many type of data, most
> > > > of which were known at the time of the break through in understanding,
> > > > but many of which were not. The newly discovered data that matches the
> > > > now well established theory is often referred to as predictive
> > > > validation. The "discovery" of yet more data that supports an
> > > > established theory.
>
> > > > The theory of dark matter does explain the mass deficit data but other
> > > > theories do so in less imaginative ways. The theory of dark matter
> > > > does not to my knowledge explain any other data and so it is weak in
> > > > it foundation and fails in predictive validation, at least, that is my
> > > > opinion at this time.
>
> > > > As to the new "evidence" you sight. "Image right: This Hubble Space
> > > > Telescope composite image shows a ghostly "ring" of dark matter in the
> > > > galaxy cluster Cl 0024+17. The ring-like structure is evident in the
> > > > blue map of the cluster's dark matter distribution." from;
>
> > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > Well, first off it is a composite image, as in photo shop imagery.
> > > > Secondly, there is a distinct peak in the center of the blue image as
> > > > well as the blue halo. This same distribution can be readily observed
> > > > in the common 'cow pie', readily found in most livestock holding
> > > > areas, and for substantially the same reasons.
>
> > > > If you project a 3 dimensional explosive event onto a two dimensional
> > > > plane a cow pie pattern is what you often get. Meteor craters and a
> > > > host of other phenomena also fit this pattern. I only chose the cow
> > > > pie example because of the close correlation between cow pies and dark
> > > > matter theory...
>
> > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > Mr. Gee
>
> > > The peak in the center of the blue image is the dark matter falling
> > > back towards the point of the collision. Similar to the point where
> > > the rock enters the water.
>
> > >http://thoughtsfromthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ripple-crop.jpg
>
> > > 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> > > 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> > > solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> > > is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> > > outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> > > out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> > > now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> > > clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> > > The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> > > the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> > > stream of a black hole.
>
> > > The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> > > The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> > > of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> > > conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The space medium of aether has a round geometry generated by gravity.
> > The curve starts at the center and radiates to the end of range
> > determined by mass.
>
> > God creates this gravity whole; round space flowing inward programming
> > time rate.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> water."
>
> The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How can jet streams get out of a black hole?

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 1 Aug 2010 18:36
On Aug 1, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 5:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 31, 11:25 am, Unified_Perspective <agall...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 31, 10:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 29, 8:53 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > > > water."
>
> > > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
>
> > > > > > Part of the caption below reads, "the result of two waves colliding"
>
> > > > > >http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/images/news/articles/ng_article...
>
> > > > > > The analogy for the galaxy clusters collision is the collision between
> > > > > > two boats. The bow waves associated with the boats collide and create
> > > > > > a ripple. This is what occurred between the galaxy clusters. The
> > > > > > displaced dark matter associated with each of the galaxy clusters
> > > > > > forms a ripple when the galaxy clusters collide.
>
> > > > > > The ripple is evidence of gravity waves.
> > > > > > The ripple is evidence of the medium of space.
>
> > > > > Dark matter was originally proposed as a hypothetical way of
> > > > > explaining the manner in which the universe is expanding. There is a
> > > > > mass deficit in the current mean mass-energy density in relation to
> > > > > the long ago mean mass-energy density necessary to account for the
> > > > > rate at which we presently measure the universe to be expanding.
>
> > > > > A far more reasonable explanation of the observed data is that some
> > > > > (i.e. the invisible part) of the mean mass-energy density of the past
> > > > > universe was collected into black holes and dissipated through Hawking
> > > > > radiation, also known as heat....
>
> > > > > While it may seem reasonable to some to imagine a new form of matter
> > > > > completely unlike any known matter and to find "evidence" for this
> > > > > matter in quantum mechanical equations and celestial signs and
> > > > > portents, this is actually the opposite of the scientific method which
> > > > > is to collect data and to derive from the data relations that show
> > > > > broad applicability to other known observable data. Relativity is a
> > > > > very very good example of a group of individuals using data to develop
> > > > > a mathematical and theoretical explanation of many type of data, most
> > > > > of which were known at the time of the break through in understanding,
> > > > > but many of which were not. The newly discovered data that matches the
> > > > > now well established theory is often referred to as predictive
> > > > > validation. The "discovery" of yet more data that supports an
> > > > > established theory.
>
> > > > > The theory of dark matter does explain the mass deficit data but other
> > > > > theories do so in less imaginative ways. The theory of dark matter
> > > > > does not to my knowledge explain any other data and so it is weak in
> > > > > it foundation and fails in predictive validation, at least, that is my
> > > > > opinion at this time.
>
> > > > > As to the new "evidence" you sight. "Image right: This Hubble Space
> > > > > Telescope composite image shows a ghostly "ring" of dark matter in the
> > > > > galaxy cluster Cl 0024+17. The ring-like structure is evident in the
> > > > > blue map of the cluster's dark matter distribution." from;
>
> > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > Well, first off it is a composite image, as in photo shop imagery..
> > > > > Secondly, there is a distinct peak in the center of the blue image as
> > > > > well as the blue halo. This same distribution can be readily observed
> > > > > in the common 'cow pie', readily found in most livestock holding
> > > > > areas, and for substantially the same reasons.
>
> > > > > If you project a 3 dimensional explosive event onto a two dimensional
> > > > > plane a cow pie pattern is what you often get. Meteor craters and a
> > > > > host of other phenomena also fit this pattern. I only chose the cow
> > > > > pie example because of the close correlation between cow pies and dark
> > > > > matter theory...
>
> > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > Mr. Gee
>
> > > > The peak in the center of the blue image is the dark matter falling
> > > > back towards the point of the collision. Similar to the point where
> > > > the rock enters the water.
>
> > > >http://thoughtsfromthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ripple-crop.jpg
>
> > > > 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> > > > 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> > > > solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> > > > is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> > > > outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> > > > out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> > > > now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> > > > clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> > > > The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> > > > the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> > > > stream of a black hole.
>
> > > > The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> > > > The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> > > > of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> > > > conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The space medium of aether has a round geometry generated by gravity.
> > > The curve starts at the center and radiates to the end of range
> > > determined by mass.
>
> > > God creates this gravity whole; round space flowing inward programming
> > > time rate.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> How can jet streams get out of a black hole?
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Wrong thread for that question. See my response in the thread titled,
"The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream".

Does the ripple reach the Earth?

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
From: BURT on 1 Aug 2010 18:43
On Aug 1, 3:36 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 5:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 31, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 31, 11:25 am, Unified_Perspective <agall...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 31, 10:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 29, 8:53 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > > > > water."
>
> > > > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
>
> > > > > > > Part of the caption below reads, "the result of two waves colliding"
>
> > > > > > >http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/images/news/articles/ng_article...
>
> > > > > > > The analogy for the galaxy clusters collision is the collision between
> > > > > > > two boats. The bow waves associated with the boats collide and create
> > > > > > > a ripple. This is what occurred between the galaxy clusters. The
> > > > > > > displaced dark matter associated with each of the galaxy clusters
> > > > > > > forms a ripple when the galaxy clusters collide.
>
> > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of gravity waves.
> > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of the medium of space.
>
> > > > > > Dark matter was originally proposed as a hypothetical way of
> > > > > > explaining the manner in which the universe is expanding. There is a
> > > > > > mass deficit in the current mean mass-energy density in relation to
> > > > > > the long ago mean mass-energy density necessary to account for the
> > > > > > rate at which we presently measure the universe to be expanding..
>
> > > > > > A far more reasonable explanation of the observed data is that some
> > > > > > (i.e. the invisible part) of the mean mass-energy density of the past
> > > > > > universe was collected into black holes and dissipated through Hawking
> > > > > > radiation, also known as heat....
>
> > > > > > While it may seem reasonable to some to imagine a new form of matter
> > > > > > completely unlike any known matter and to find "evidence" for this
> > > > > > matter in quantum mechanical equations and celestial signs and
> > > > > > portents, this is actually the opposite of the scientific method which
> > > > > > is to collect data and to derive from the data relations that show
> > > > > > broad applicability to other known observable data. Relativity is a
> > > > > > very very good example of a group of individuals using data to develop
> > > > > > a mathematical and theoretical explanation of many type of data, most
> > > > > > of which were known at the time of the break through in understanding,
> > > > > > but many of which were not. The newly discovered data that matches the
> > > > > > now well established theory is often referred to as predictive
> > > > > > validation. The "discovery" of yet more data that supports an
> > > > > > established theory.
>
> > > > > > The theory of dark matter does explain the mass deficit data but other
> > > > > > theories do so in less imaginative ways. The theory of dark matter
> > > > > > does not to my knowledge explain any other data and so it is weak in
> > > > > > it foundation and fails in predictive validation, at least, that is my
> > > > > > opinion at this time.
>
> > > > > > As to the new "evidence" you sight. "Image right: This Hubble Space
> > > > > > Telescope composite image shows a ghostly "ring" of dark matter in the
> > > > > > galaxy cluster Cl 0024+17. The ring-like structure is evident in the
> > > > > > blue map of the cluster's dark matter distribution." from;
>
> > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > Well, first off it is a composite image, as in photo shop imagery.
> > > > > > Secondly, there is a distinct peak in the center of the blue image as
> > > > > > well as the blue halo. This same distribution can be readily observed
> > > > > > in the common 'cow pie', readily found in most livestock holding
> > > > > > areas, and for substantially the same reasons.
>
> > > > > > If you project a 3 dimensional explosive event onto a two dimensional
> > > > > > plane a cow pie pattern is what you often get. Meteor craters and a
> > > > > > host of other phenomena also fit this pattern. I only chose the cow
> > > > > > pie example because of the close correlation between cow pies and dark
> > > > > > matter theory...
>
> > > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > > Mr. Gee
>
> > > > > The peak in the center of the blue image is the dark matter falling
> > > > > back towards the point of the collision. Similar to the point where
> > > > > the rock enters the water.
>
> > > > >http://thoughtsfromthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ripple-crop.jpg
>
> > > > > 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> > > > > 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> > > > > solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> > > > > is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> > > > > outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> > > > > out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> > > > > now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> > > > > clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> > > > > The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> > > > > the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> > > > > stream of a black hole.
>
> > > > > The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> > > > > The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> > > > > of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> > > > > conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > The space medium of aether has a round geometry generated by gravity.
> > > > The curve starts at the center and radiates to the end of range
> > > > determined by mass.
>
> > > > God creates this gravity whole; round space flowing inward programming
> > > > time rate.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > water."
>
> > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > How can jet streams get out of a black hole?
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Wrong thread for that question. See my response in the thread titled,
> "The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream".
>
> Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> water."
>
> The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If black holes are part of the medium of space then you need to have
an answer.

I address what you say as a whole. You believe in black holes. I
don't.
Please show how your jet streams get out of something that can never
be escaped.
Going somewhere else to prove my point is rediculous.

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 1 Aug 2010 18:49
On Aug 1, 6:43 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 3:36 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 1, 5:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 31, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:25 am, Unified_Perspective <agall...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 31, 10:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 8:53 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa..gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > > > > > water."
>
> > > > > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
>
> > > > > > > > Part of the caption below reads, "the result of two waves colliding"
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/images/news/articles/ng_article...
>
> > > > > > > > The analogy for the galaxy clusters collision is the collision between
> > > > > > > > two boats. The bow waves associated with the boats collide and create
> > > > > > > > a ripple. This is what occurred between the galaxy clusters.. The
> > > > > > > > displaced dark matter associated with each of the galaxy clusters
> > > > > > > > forms a ripple when the galaxy clusters collide.
>
> > > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of gravity waves.
> > > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of the medium of space.
>
> > > > > > > Dark matter was originally proposed as a hypothetical way of
> > > > > > > explaining the manner in which the universe is expanding. There is a
> > > > > > > mass deficit in the current mean mass-energy density in relation to
> > > > > > > the long ago mean mass-energy density necessary to account for the
> > > > > > > rate at which we presently measure the universe to be expanding.
>
> > > > > > > A far more reasonable explanation of the observed data is that some
> > > > > > > (i.e. the invisible part) of the mean mass-energy density of the past
> > > > > > > universe was collected into black holes and dissipated through Hawking
> > > > > > > radiation, also known as heat....
>
> > > > > > > While it may seem reasonable to some to imagine a new form of matter
> > > > > > > completely unlike any known matter and to find "evidence" for this
> > > > > > > matter in quantum mechanical equations and celestial signs and
> > > > > > > portents, this is actually the opposite of the scientific method which
> > > > > > > is to collect data and to derive from the data relations that show
> > > > > > > broad applicability to other known observable data. Relativity is a
> > > > > > > very very good example of a group of individuals using data to develop
> > > > > > > a mathematical and theoretical explanation of many type of data, most
> > > > > > > of which were known at the time of the break through in understanding,
> > > > > > > but many of which were not. The newly discovered data that matches the
> > > > > > > now well established theory is often referred to as predictive
> > > > > > > validation. The "discovery" of yet more data that supports an
> > > > > > > established theory.
>
> > > > > > > The theory of dark matter does explain the mass deficit data but other
> > > > > > > theories do so in less imaginative ways. The theory of dark matter
> > > > > > > does not to my knowledge explain any other data and so it is weak in
> > > > > > > it foundation and fails in predictive validation, at least, that is my
> > > > > > > opinion at this time.
>
> > > > > > > As to the new "evidence" you sight. "Image right: This Hubble Space
> > > > > > > Telescope composite image shows a ghostly "ring" of dark matter in the
> > > > > > > galaxy cluster Cl 0024+17. The ring-like structure is evident in the
> > > > > > > blue map of the cluster's dark matter distribution." from;
>
> > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > Well, first off it is a composite image, as in photo shop imagery.
> > > > > > > Secondly, there is a distinct peak in the center of the blue image as
> > > > > > > well as the blue halo. This same distribution can be readily observed
> > > > > > > in the common 'cow pie', readily found in most livestock holding
> > > > > > > areas, and for substantially the same reasons.
>
> > > > > > > If you project a 3 dimensional explosive event onto a two dimensional
> > > > > > > plane a cow pie pattern is what you often get. Meteor craters and a
> > > > > > > host of other phenomena also fit this pattern. I only chose the cow
> > > > > > > pie example because of the close correlation between cow pies and dark
> > > > > > > matter theory...
>
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > > > Mr. Gee
>
> > > > > > The peak in the center of the blue image is the dark matter falling
> > > > > > back towards the point of the collision. Similar to the point where
> > > > > > the rock enters the water.
>
> > > > > >http://thoughtsfromthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ripple-crop.jpg
>
> > > > > > 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> > > > > > 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> > > > > > solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> > > > > > is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> > > > > > outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> > > > > > out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> > > > > > now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> > > > > > clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> > > > > > The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> > > > > > the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> > > > > > stream of a black hole.
>
> > > > > > The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> > > > > > The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> > > > > > of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> > > > > > conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > The space medium of aether has a round geometry generated by gravity.
> > > > > The curve starts at the center and radiates to the end of range
> > > > > determined by mass.
>
> > > > > God creates this gravity whole; round space flowing inward programming
> > > > > time rate.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > water."
>
> > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How can jet streams get out of a black hole?
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Wrong thread for that question. See my response in the thread titled,
> > "The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream".
>
> > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If black holes are part of the medium of space then you need to have
> an answer.
>
> I address what you say as a whole. You believe in black holes. I
> don't.
> Please show how your jet streams get out of something that can never
> be escaped.
> Going somewhere else to prove my point is rediculous.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

This thread is discussing dark matter as the medium of space. This
thread is specifically discussing the ripple associated with the
galaxy cluster collision. This thread asks a very simple question
which for some reason is unanswerable by 'mainstream' physics.

Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth?

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
From: BURT on 1 Aug 2010 18:52
On Aug 1, 3:49 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 6:43 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 3:36 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 1, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 1, 5:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 31, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:25 am, Unified_Perspective <agall...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 10:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 8:53 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > > > > > > water."
>
> > > > > > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.
>
> > > > > > > > > Part of the caption below reads, "the result of two waves colliding"
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/images/news/articles/ng_article...
>
> > > > > > > > > The analogy for the galaxy clusters collision is the collision between
> > > > > > > > > two boats. The bow waves associated with the boats collide and create
> > > > > > > > > a ripple. This is what occurred between the galaxy clusters. The
> > > > > > > > > displaced dark matter associated with each of the galaxy clusters
> > > > > > > > > forms a ripple when the galaxy clusters collide.
>
> > > > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of gravity waves.
> > > > > > > > > The ripple is evidence of the medium of space.
>
> > > > > > > > Dark matter was originally proposed as a hypothetical way of
> > > > > > > > explaining the manner in which the universe is expanding. There is a
> > > > > > > > mass deficit in the current mean mass-energy density in relation to
> > > > > > > > the long ago mean mass-energy density necessary to account for the
> > > > > > > > rate at which we presently measure the universe to be expanding.
>
> > > > > > > > A far more reasonable explanation of the observed data is that some
> > > > > > > > (i.e. the invisible part) of the mean mass-energy density of the past
> > > > > > > > universe was collected into black holes and dissipated through Hawking
> > > > > > > > radiation, also known as heat....
>
> > > > > > > > While it may seem reasonable to some to imagine a new form of matter
> > > > > > > > completely unlike any known matter and to find "evidence" for this
> > > > > > > > matter in quantum mechanical equations and celestial signs and
> > > > > > > > portents, this is actually the opposite of the scientific method which
> > > > > > > > is to collect data and to derive from the data relations that show
> > > > > > > > broad applicability to other known observable data. Relativity is a
> > > > > > > > very very good example of a group of individuals using data to develop
> > > > > > > > a mathematical and theoretical explanation of many type of data, most
> > > > > > > > of which were known at the time of the break through in understanding,
> > > > > > > > but many of which were not. The newly discovered data that matches the
> > > > > > > > now well established theory is often referred to as predictive
> > > > > > > > validation. The "discovery" of yet more data that supports an
> > > > > > > > established theory.
>
> > > > > > > > The theory of dark matter does explain the mass deficit data but other
> > > > > > > > theories do so in less imaginative ways. The theory of dark matter
> > > > > > > > does not to my knowledge explain any other data and so it is weak in
> > > > > > > > it foundation and fails in predictive validation, at least, that is my
> > > > > > > > opinion at this time.
>
> > > > > > > > As to the new "evidence" you sight. "Image right: This Hubble Space
> > > > > > > > Telescope composite image shows a ghostly "ring" of dark matter in the
> > > > > > > > galaxy cluster Cl 0024+17. The ring-like structure is evident in the
> > > > > > > > blue map of the cluster's dark matter distribution." from;
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > > > > Well, first off it is a composite image, as in photo shop imagery.
> > > > > > > > Secondly, there is a distinct peak in the center of the blue image as
> > > > > > > > well as the blue halo. This same distribution can be readily observed
> > > > > > > > in the common 'cow pie', readily found in most livestock holding
> > > > > > > > areas, and for substantially the same reasons.
>
> > > > > > > > If you project a 3 dimensional explosive event onto a two dimensional
> > > > > > > > plane a cow pie pattern is what you often get. Meteor craters and a
> > > > > > > > host of other phenomena also fit this pattern. I only chose the cow
> > > > > > > > pie example because of the close correlation between cow pies and dark
> > > > > > > > matter theory...
>
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > > > > Mr. Gee
>
> > > > > > > The peak in the center of the blue image is the dark matter falling
> > > > > > > back towards the point of the collision. Similar to the point where
> > > > > > > the rock enters the water.
>
> > > > > > >http://thoughtsfromthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ripple-crop.jpg
>
> > > > > > > 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html
>
> > > > > > > 'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
> > > > > > > solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
> > > > > > > is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
> > > > > > > outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
> > > > > > > out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
> > > > > > > now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
> > > > > > > clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'
>
> > > > > > > The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
> > > > > > > the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream. Analogous to the jet
> > > > > > > stream of a black hole.
>
> > > > > > > The following is an image of a jet stream:
>
> > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> > > > > > > The reason for the expansion of the universe is the continual emission
> > > > > > > of dark matter. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the
> > > > > > > conditions enable dark matter to be compressed into matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > The space medium of aether has a round geometry generated by gravity.
> > > > > > The curve starts at the center and radiates to the end of range
> > > > > > determined by mass.
>
> > > > > > God creates this gravity whole; round space flowing inward programming
> > > > > > time rate.
>
> > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > > > water."
>
> > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate..- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > How can jet streams get out of a black hole?
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > Wrong thread for that question. See my response in the thread titled,
> > > "The Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is, a jet stream"..
>
> > > Does the ripple reach the Earth?
>
> > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > water."
>
> > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
> > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
> > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > If black holes are part of the medium of space then you need to have
> > an answer.
>
> > I address what you say as a whole. You believe in black holes. I
> > don't.
> > Please show how your jet streams get out of something that can never
> > be escaped.
> > Going somewhere else to prove my point is rediculous.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> This thread is discussing dark matter as the medium of space. This
> thread is specifically discussing the ripple associated with the
> galaxy cluster collision. This thread asks a very simple question
> which for some reason is unanswerable by 'mainstream' physics.

What about the dark matter of the jet stream as part of that?


>
> Does the ripple eventually reach the Earth?
>
> 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -...

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