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From: Paul on 18 Dec 2009 15:51 Roger wrote: > "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hgg8k3$3m8$1(a)aioe.org... >> Roger wrote: >> >>> Paul thank for your most detailed reply which I try to absorb. I'm not >>> worried about getting inside PC as I often clean there and have changed >>> the Ram. My board is K7s5a ECS I have the manual stored in My docs in >>> adobe PDF but are unable to sort out getting you a picture link of >>> mainboard. Looking at board it shows 5 PCI slots This was a made up PC. >>> Looking at the back of unit one of those slots is housing four USB ports >>> this must have been added later on an upgrade.as on drawing it only shows >>> one usb1 next to fp audio,woL1,FP1, SPK1, etc . I have 3 of those slots >>> still with the blank fitted. >>> >>> Roger >> I have a K7S5A manual on disk here. (I download a lot of different >> manuals, >> so I have a small collection.) >> >> There are two USB ports in your I/O area. >> >> If you already have a PCI USB card, you should check Device Manager in >> WinXP, >> and look for the word "Enhanced" in the USB section. The technique of >> checking >> for USB2 is described in the link below. >> >> So it could be, you already have USB2 and it might be on that PCI card. >> >> If you're not seeing Enhanced, then perhaps the purchase of another card >> would help. >> >> I have a really old PCI USB card, which has USB 1.1 ports only on it, >> so it isn't guaranteed that your PCI USB card is USB2. But if you check >> Device Manager, you may be able to save yourself $10. >> >> http://www.usbman.com/Guides/checking_for_usb_2.htm >> >> "NEC PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller (B1)" >> >> That is an example of what is coming from a PCI USB2 card with a >> NEC chip on it. So that machine has USB2 capability. >> >> > > Paul It looks a basic set to me, e.g. showing 1 Logitech Camera, 1 > Generic USB hub, 4 Lucent QuadraBus host Controller, 2 SIS 7001 PCI to USB > host, 6 USB Root Hub. > > Roger According to this page... http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_Identify_HostController.htm the SIS7001 has this as its major entry. I can't tell if one or two USB Root Hub entries go with that. http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_1.jpg SiS 7001 PCI to USB Open Host Controller Perhaps the Lucent QuadraBus is your PCI card ? Wow, they even have the Lucent Quadrabus as well. The text below the picture indicates which entries belong to it. http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_8.gif Lucent USB Open Host Controller (x4) USB Root Hub (x4) So that seems to account for your entries. A Brazilian web page is still selling a QuadraBus card, and their advert mentions "1.1", so chances are that card is a slow one. Looks like you'll need to fork out that $10 after all :-) If you're not using the QuadraBus for anything, you could even pull it, and put the USB2 card in its place. Paul
From: Roger on 18 Dec 2009 16:01 "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hggpvi$sd2$1(a)aioe.org... > Roger wrote: >> "Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message news:hgg8k3$3m8$1(a)aioe.org... >>> Roger wrote: >>> >>>> Paul thank for your most detailed reply which I try to absorb. I'm not >>>> worried about getting inside PC as I often clean there and have changed >>>> the Ram. My board is K7s5a ECS I have the manual stored in My docs in >>>> adobe PDF but are unable to sort out getting you a picture link of >>>> mainboard. Looking at board it shows 5 PCI slots This was a made up >>>> PC. Looking at the back of unit one of those slots is housing four USB >>>> ports this must have been added later on an upgrade.as on drawing it >>>> only shows one usb1 next to fp audio,woL1,FP1, SPK1, etc . I have 3 of >>>> those slots still with the blank fitted. >>>> >>>> Roger >>> I have a K7S5A manual on disk here. (I download a lot of different >>> manuals, >>> so I have a small collection.) >>> >>> There are two USB ports in your I/O area. >>> >>> If you already have a PCI USB card, you should check Device Manager in >>> WinXP, >>> and look for the word "Enhanced" in the USB section. The technique of >>> checking >>> for USB2 is described in the link below. >>> >>> So it could be, you already have USB2 and it might be on that PCI card. >>> >>> If you're not seeing Enhanced, then perhaps the purchase of another card >>> would help. >>> >>> I have a really old PCI USB card, which has USB 1.1 ports only on it, >>> so it isn't guaranteed that your PCI USB card is USB2. But if you check >>> Device Manager, you may be able to save yourself $10. >>> >>> http://www.usbman.com/Guides/checking_for_usb_2.htm >>> >>> "NEC PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller (B1)" >>> >>> That is an example of what is coming from a PCI USB2 card with a >>> NEC chip on it. So that machine has USB2 capability. >>> >>> >> >> Paul It looks a basic set to me, e.g. showing 1 Logitech Camera, 1 >> Generic USB hub, 4 Lucent QuadraBus host Controller, 2 SIS 7001 PCI to >> USB host, 6 USB Root Hub. >> >> Roger > > According to this page... > > http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_Identify_HostController.htm > > the SIS7001 has this as its major entry. I can't tell if one or > two USB Root Hub entries go with that. > > http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_1.jpg > > SiS 7001 PCI to USB Open Host Controller > > Perhaps the Lucent QuadraBus is your PCI card ? > > Wow, they even have the Lucent Quadrabus as well. The text > below the picture indicates which entries belong to it. > > http://www.usbman.com/Guides/HowTo_8.gif > > Lucent USB Open Host Controller (x4) > USB Root Hub (x4) > > So that seems to account for your entries. A Brazilian web page > is still selling a QuadraBus card, and their advert mentions "1.1", > so chances are that card is a slow one. > > Looks like you'll need to fork out that $10 after all :-) > > If you're not using the QuadraBus for anything, you could > even pull it, and put the USB2 card in its place. > > Paul > Could the Lucent be my 4 port hub which is mounted on desk, and connected in back of Pc via usb port ? this is shown as a 1.1 on unit ?
From: Paul on 18 Dec 2009 16:51 Roger wrote: > Could the Lucent be my 4 port hub which is mounted on desk, and connected in > back of Pc via usb port ? this is shown as a 1.1 on unit ? > The quickest way to verify what chip is on your current add-in card, is to pull the side off the computer and look. ******* If you want to play around some more, try Everest (free edition). Look in the "Devices : PCI devices" section, and see what is listed there. http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html I don't know of any software tools, that make it particularly easy to verify what hardware is inside the computer. Virtually all of them require interpretation. To give an example, I have a couple PCI cards installed right now. This is what Everest reports. Device Properties: Device Description C-Media CMI8738/C3DX Audio Device Bus Type PCI Bus / Device / Function 3 / 7 / 0 Device ID 13F6-0111 Subsystem ID 13F6-0111 Device Class 0401 (Audio Device) Revision 10 Fast Back-to-Back Transactions Not Supported Device Properties: Device Description Promise PDC20269 Ultra133 TX2 Bus Master IDE Controller Bus Type PCI Bus / Device / Function 3 / 6 / 0 Device ID 105A-4D69 Subsystem ID 105A-4D68 Device Class 0180 (Mass Storage Controller) Revision 02 Fast Back-to-Back Transactions Not Supported If you look at the Bus / Device / Function, you can tell they're on the same bus segment. My AGP video card is on a different bus segment. And that bus segment is AGP. The bus number is one, in this case. Device Properties: Device Description ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Video Adapter Bus Type AGP 8x Bus / Device / Function 1 / 0 / 0 Device ID 1002-4E48 Subsystem ID 1002-0002 Device Class 0300 (VGA Display Controller) Revision 00 Fast Back-to-Back Transactions Supported, Disabled So Everest can give you a pile of stuff to look at. If you use the "Report Wizard", you can create reams of data for examination with a text editor. And if Everest can't identify a piece of hardware, you can use the Device ID field and then look up the device in question here. I picked a couple of lines out of the file, which correspond to my sound card. You can see how the Everest value of 13F6-0111, looks in this file. The first chunk of digits is the VID or Vendor ID. The second set is the PID or Product ID. This is how I might figure out I need a CM8738 driver. http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids 13f6 C-Media Electronics Inc 0111 CM8738 Paul
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