FTL or Mutual Time Dilation ?
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From: Hayek on 28 Jul 2010 10:31 Igor wrote: > On Jul 28, 3:42 am, Hayek <haye...(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> How come your food stays fresh much longer in the fridge ? >> >> Exactly, molecules move slower at lower temperatures... > > And all this time, I thought it was because bacteria grow more slowly > at lower temps. And all this "time" you never realized that bacteria are made up of molecules .... Uwe Hayek. -- We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion : the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history. -- Ayn Rand I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill.
From: G. L. Bradford on 28 Jul 2010 13:53 "Hayek" <hayektt(a)nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:4c500230$0$22917$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl... > eric gisse wrote: >> Hayek wrote: >> >>> eric gisse wrote: >>>> Hayek wrote: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Why do you persist in discussing a subject you clearly don't grasp? >>> There is a difference between "not grasping" and >>> "interpreting differently". >> >> You simply don't know what you are talking about. > > > It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought > without accepting it. > -- Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) > > I haven't noticed that in your answers, this mark. > You cannot entertain any thought other than the generally accepted ones. > >> That you do not recognize this is just another example of the prideful >> stupidity that seems to be attracted to this newsgroup. >> >>> But you cannot grasp that anything your textbook says >>> could be wrong. >> >> While you, for having never read any textbooks, can say whatever you want >> because you aren't burdened with education? > > Again, you make a vacuous assumption. When I confront you with facts from > these textbooks, your answers cease. > >> >>> Besides the shouting, do you ever use arguments, or is >>> that you simply do not grasp what arguments are ? >> >> Most certainly. But they tend to be ignored, > > Because we, as well as you, know them by heart. > >> so I skip the middleman and move straight to the part where I call the >> odious crank what it is and move on. > > �There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is > proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in > everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation� > - Herbert Spencer > > Everlasting ignorance. That is Gisse allright. > > Uwe Hayek. ==================== You do an awful lot of quoting good sound bites, but I often wonder if you even realize how those things work. Two synchronized clocks are handed one each to female bureaucrat (A) and male individual (B) to hold. (B) is told that only (A)'s clock can tell real time for the both of them. (B) moves away from (A). (A) tells the time for his own bureaucratic self by the clock he is holding and see's the time brought courtesy of the speed of light 'c' from (B) to her, which just happens to be a different time, now an earlier time reading from a now apparently -- apparent to female bureaucrat (A) -- slower ticking clock, from the actual time (B) now has on his clock in his own local universe. But individual (B) is told by bureaucrat (A) that his, (B)'s, local clock time really doesn't exist! That the only real times in the universe is the times bureaucrat (A) reads from her desk in the Ministry of Truth, including that [fall behind] time, that apparently slower ticking of time, (A) now has for him (the now distant (B)). So no matter how he moves, and no matter how far he goes, even if he ends up at Alpha Centauri, the clock reading that female bureaucrat (A) at her desk in the Ministry of Truth on Earth has for him (courtesy of speed of light 'c'), and thus the age she has for him, is the only reality of him there is in the entire Universe. It doesn't matter to Big Brother that expansion in distance, that movement, is causing an increasingly false reading of (B)'s time at (A)'s position. It doesn't matter that the information brought per speed of light 'c' concerning (B) at (A)'s position has nothing whatsoever to do with the reality of (B) at (B)'s own locale. It doesn't matter that though (A), locally from her desk in the Ministry of Truth on Earth, see's and calculates (B) to be doing .9c, (B) in his own locale in the universe is calculating no such thing, but is measuring 'c' constantly as 'c', thus his own local relationship to 'c' has never have changed, and is never changing. It doesn't matter that in his own locale, (B) realizes that he is far older than the age (A) has for him at her desk in the Ministry of Truth. GLB ==================
From: Paul Cardinale on 28 Jul 2010 15:01 When you misapply a formula or a theory, you get nonsense. The only thing that you've proved is that you don't know how to apply time dilation. Paul Cardinale
From: eric gisse on 28 Jul 2010 16:07 Hayek wrote: > eric gisse wrote: >> Hayek wrote: >> >>> eric gisse wrote: >>>> Hayek wrote: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Why do you persist in discussing a subject you clearly don't grasp? >>> There is a difference between "not grasping" and >>> "interpreting differently". >> >> You simply don't know what you are talking about. > > > It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to > entertain a thought without accepting it. > -- Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) > > I haven't noticed that in your answers, this mark. > You cannot entertain any thought other than the > generally accepted ones. Not every ejaculation deserves a name. Not every idea deserves to be entertained. [snip rest of idiocy]
From: Androcles on 28 Jul 2010 16:29
"Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale(a)volcanomail.com> wrote in message news:10ec0e46-620b-406e-9707-a62596dc4f43(a)w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... | When you misapply a formula or a theory, you get nonsense. | The only thing that you've proved is that you don't know how to apply | time dilation. | | Paul Cardinale | When you misapply a formula or a theory, you get nonsense. The only thing that you've proved is that you don't know how to apply the Easter Bunny. |