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From: otter on 21 May 2010 08:41
On May 20, 6:55 pm, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2010-05-20 16:30:20 -0700, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> said:
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> > On Thu, 20 May 2010 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > : On May 18, 2:51 pm, Bowser <Ca...(a)Nikon.Panny> wrote:
> > : > Lots of mugs here:
> > : >
> > : >http://www.pbase.com/shootin/facescape
> > :
> > : I cry FOWL!
> > :
> > : I had some more shots of  livestock I could have submitted, but the
> > : assignment clearly called for HUMAN faces.  So what is THIS doing in
> > : there?
> > :
> > :http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/124677809/large
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> > I was surprised to see that you picked on the Duck's shot of that old geezer.
> > I had thought you were referring to Bret's self-portrait.  ;^)
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> > Bob
>
> Well, it could be an honest mistake, or it could be an opinion
> regarding otter's reaction to the subject of my "old geezer" shot.
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> I would hope the former.
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> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck- Hide quoted text -
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It was just a joke about that old bird you shot.

And a little poke at Bret :-).
From: Peter on 28 May 2010 09:47
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Peter Newman, Cold - Interesting and sharp. A lot going on.
>

You are right. It is very busy. I would normally have shot only the
reflection in her glasses, but I wanted a full face for the SI. Notice the
self portrait of the photrapher. Portraits are not my specialty.


Glad you had an enjoyable trip.


--
Peter

From: tony cooper on 28 May 2010 10:07
On Thu, 27 May 2010 23:19:03 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2010-05-27 21:46:16 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said:
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>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:51:20 -0400, Bowser <Canon(a)Nikon.Panny> wrote:
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>>> Lots of mugs here:
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>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/facescape
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>>> My own shot is, sigh, an archive. I'm cleared to carry the gear
>>> starting next week, so hopefully my Wallpaper shot will be a little
>>> more current.
>>
>> Some nice shots here, but I'll comment on just a few:
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>> Savageduck 01 - Love it! Good composition, good post treatment.
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>Thanks. I thought he might appeal to your taste in subjects. I got
>another candidate entry of him to work on, but went with the one you
>like.
>< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/SI-Facescape-Candidate-P2w.jpg >


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>> Savageduck 02 - Also good, but a bit soft. I like the way the Duck
>> crops.
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>This one was a tough capture, one quick opportunity, no posing, no repeat.
>
That's the story of all of my candids. It makes you appreciate the
ones that do work. The one linked to above has the post growing out
of the subject's head, but is otherwise a good capture. Needs to be
done in black and white, though, because of the flesh tone (face/hand)
disparity. That is a distraction.

>> Savageduck 03 - Could be a "Love it!", but it's so damn centered.
>> Looks too posed this way.
>
>I got a few shots of him and his buddy, but once he understood I was
>actually taking shots for real he got all stiff, centered, and
>positioned. I guess the centered shot might be a reflection of his
>character.

Calvin commented that my shot of the seated biker was flawed because
the man was looking down. Generally, the eyes are what you focus on
when shooting people and a "rule" is that the subject should be
looking at the photographer or at least in the general direction of
the photographer.

Shooting candids, though, this is a "rule" that doesn't always work
for the reason you state above. People instinctively change when they
think they are being photographed. The look you want when you see the
person changes when the person sees you.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 28 May 2010 12:17
On Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:58 -0400, "Peter"
<peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:

>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:9hguv5ptpidgp5statea2tmfb8mrb61ogf(a)4ax.com...
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>>
>> Peter Newman, Cold - Interesting and sharp. A lot going on.
>>
>
>You are right. It is very busy. I would normally have shot only the
>reflection in her glasses, but I wanted a full face for the SI. Notice the
>self portrait of the photrapher. Portraits are not my specialty.
>

No need to apologize. All of us have our favorite subject matter and
types of shots we do the best. What I shoot is probably not
appreciated by all, and what others shoot sometimes don't interest me.

What is interesting about mandates is that the theme often encourages
us to shoot out of our comfort zone.

Reflections are difficult. You have to get in close to get clear
images on reflections, but doing so often makes you miss the surround
that would contribute to the image and make what you are shooting to
be distinctive.

I recently tried some mirror shots:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Bikers/2010-02-28-002/799587873_Zxjtu-L.jpg
but I didn't come up with one that really works. The girl isn't
really sharp enough or interesting enough.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Peter on 28 May 2010 13:17
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> No need to apologize. All of us have our favorite subject matter and
> types of shots we do the best. What I shoot is probably not
> appreciated by all, and what others shoot sometimes don't interest me.

I shoot for my own enjoyment and to express myself. That's one of the
reasons I usually only enter my CC competitions when I will be there to hear
the commentary.

>
> What is interesting about mandates is that the theme often encourages
> us to shoot out of our comfort zone.
>

Yup. And I do appreciate the feedback.

> Reflections are difficult. You have to get in close to get clear
> images on reflections, but doing so often makes you miss the surround
> that would contribute to the image and make what you are shooting to
> be distinctive.
>

A reflecton can make an interesting abstraction, all by itself.

> I recently tried some mirror shots:
> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Bikers/2010-02-28-002/799587873_Zxjtu-L.jpg
> but I didn't come up with one that really works. The girl isn't
> really sharp enough or interesting enough.

If you use PS you can enhance the sharpness by using lab sharpening.
Sometimes by repeating the sharpening. I use lab color to avoid the halo
effect that is often caused by over sharpening. I think your reflection
without so much of the bike handle would be a more interesting shot.


--
Peter

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