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From: Jack Sarfatti on 10 May 2007 22:23
On May 10, 2007, at 10:37 PM, Tim Ventura wrote:


Hey Jack --

Right there with you, buddy. Mark McCandlish and I have had some interesting discussions on this one. Notably, the one device that sounds "remarkably" like the Nazi-Bell is (dramatic pause), Edgar Fouche's TR3-B "black triangle". So in a sense, we've almost come full-circle - although they certainly aren't the exact same device or design (if Fouche was even telling
the truth).

My interview with Joseph Farrell brings to light some NEW details on the Bell (never before published). There are several little details in the Bell story that are quite interesting: for instance, other records indicate that
the Nazis were scouring Europe for every ounce of Thorium they could find, but nobody ever learned where it went. Perhaps coincidentally, the mercury in the Bell was also doped with Thorium - as was the mercury in Fouche's
questionable black-triangle.

Tim

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Subject: G. Noory & Sudden Epiphany on Nazi Bell Podkletnov UFO ARV Vortex Torsion Field Propulsion

Descartes had a vortex theory competing with Newton's particle mechanics. Think of a planar smoke ring. It is a vortex ring. The planar smoke ring spontaneously moves in the direction perpendicular to its plane. This is a hydrodynamic Lorentz force effect where the vorticity (curl of velocity) at least in the core is like a magnetic field with the vortex itself like a "charge" (ref. A. Zee "Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell" p.
299) In a superfluid there will also be the nonlocal Bohm-Aharonov effect but that's an advanced detail tangential to my main point below. There is also a kind of Berry phase Chern-Simons nonlocal communication topological gauge field effect independent of clocks and measuring rods (non metrical) something like George Noory's mental internet beyond space & time for remote
viewing and nonlocal mind.

Two straight vortices with same flow, e.g. clockwise repel each other and therefore there is an effective torque (Lorentz force couple) on each of them from the others so that they simply circle each other. But a vortex-antivortex pair, one clockwise, one anticlockwise move each other mutually in the same direction. A smoke ring (closed planar vortex ring) is like spokes in a wheel with vortex-antivortex pairs at the antipodal points on lines through the center of the ring.

OK, well can we make the torsion field version of a smoke ring on the rim of the flying disk? The propellantless hovering motion would be analogous to the NASA Gravity B gravimagnetic local inertial frame (LIF) dragging from a whirlwind (Ezekial's Vision of whirls within whirls) of the fabric of space itself. Note the latter is not a torsion field effect. Torsion adds new effects beyond the 1915 GR effects. However, we do not want precession of a gyroscope, which is like the mutual circular motion of two vortices whirling in the same sense. We want the smoke ring effect. The issue then is how the torsion vortex ring in the rim of the flying disk is generated. This is where the alleged Nazi Bell experiment comes in. Some kind of MHD plasma in a torus configuration as suggested by

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