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From: VanguardLH on 20 Jul 2010 12:46
occam wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nitroreader.com/download/
>>
>> I'll keep Nitro Reader in mind should I want to later reevaluate using
>> PDF-Xchange as a replacement for Adobe Reader; however, that'll wait
>> until the "beta" moniker comes off the product and it is evident that
>> the product is going to remain freeware.
>
> You need to keep in mind that Nitro Reader (when done) claims to be not
> just a replacement for PDF-Xchange but additionally for doPDF
> (converting various formats into PDF), and also for creating PDF forms
> (e.g. PDFCreator).

I saw the other features, like a PDF printer driver (I use BullZip now
but have used PDFCreator before and have trialed but discarded CutePDF
and several others, including the PrimoPDF from Nitro). Including a PDF
printer driver in the mix of components of Nitro Reader really doesn't
make it a replacement for that function, just another choice for it.
The forms, I think, is a feature not available in the PDF-Xchange that I
use now. There is a hazard in incorporating bloated features that most
users won't use: more consumption of computer resources (disk space to
install, memory space to load). Many products have wandered down the
path of trying to become a swiss army knife of features and losing track
of what they should have for core or sole functionality. Look at MS
Word where 90% of its users use only 10%, or less, of its features. The
free Word Web App available in OfficeLive (via SkyDrive) probably has
the majority of features used by most Word users.

The following are some stats regarding disk and memory consumption for
installation of some PDF reader programs. This was in a virtual machine
running Windows XP Pro SP-3.

Adobe Reader:
install file size = 40MB
disk space consumed to install = 469MB
memory consumed to load = 23MB (30MB)
PDF-Xchange (freeware version):
install file size = 12MB
disk space consumed to install = 24MB
memory consumed to load = 17MB (25MB)
Nitro Reader (requires .NET Framework):
install file size = 23MB
disk space consumed to install = 246MB
memory consumed to load = 61MB (61MB)
(2MB resident process)

The 2.2MB resident memory process for Nitro Reader is for its PDF
printer "service". Rather than use a printer driver (where you pick
that printer when printing from your application), they run a resident
process to perform that function. This wastes memory since a true
printer driver isn't access or needed until you actually print.

Memory consumption was shown for both just loading the program by itself
and also (in parenthesis) to load the same 1MB .pdf file. Adobe Reader
was considered a memory hog but Nitro Reader beats it with TWICE (200%)
the memory consumption - and also beats PDF-Xchange by 244%! Nitro
Reader becomes the new hog-sized PDF viewer. While Nitro's installation
consumes half the disk space of Adobe Reader, Nitro Reader consumes more
than *10 TIMES* the disk space of PDF-Xchange! Sorry, but I'm opting
for the leaner program that contains the vast majority of core features
needed (by me and probably for the prevalent number of users of PDF
viewers) and properly uses a PDF printer driver instead of a resident
PDF printer service. Yes, consumption by Nitro Reader might improve
after the product finishes its beta testing but it could also get worse.

For now, I'll wait until it isn't a beta version anymore just to make
sure it remains freeware. How long that might be could be months to
years (Google kept Gmail in beta status for a tad over 5 years which
exemplified how developers now don't have a clue about alpha-beta-GA
testing stages).

Per the Subject of this thread, I haven't a clue why this particular PDF
reader generated this thread. So what if they have a 64-bit version. I
saw nothing on their site that extolled the extra functionality afforded
in their 64-bit version. Just what does their 64-bit version have that
their 32-bit version doesn't? Looks like you get nothing more in the
64-bit version. It's just marketing hype to exploit the gullible that
think 64-bit just has to be better than 32-bit despite all that's
required is a recompile of the same exact code (meaning the same exact
feature set) with a different compiler option.
From: M.L. on 20 Jul 2010 15:24


>>>> http://www.nitroreader.com/download/

>> You need to keep in mind that Nitro Reader (when done) claims to be not
>> just a replacement for PDF-Xchange but additionally for doPDF
>> (converting various formats into PDF), and also for creating PDF forms
>> (e.g. PDFCreator).
>
>There is a hazard in incorporating bloated features that most
>users won't use: more consumption of computer resources (disk space to
>install, memory space to load). Many products have wandered down the
>path of trying to become a swiss army knife of features and losing track
>of what they should have for core or sole functionality. Look at MS
>Word where 90% of its users use only 10%, or less, of its features. The
>free Word Web App available in OfficeLive (via SkyDrive) probably has
>the majority of features used by most Word users.

There's a difference between multi-purpose software like Nitro Reader,
and single-purpose software with multiple features like MS Word.
There's never going to be 100% feature usage with complex software
applications.
From: VanguardLH on 20 Jul 2010 22:27
M.L. wrote:

>>>>> http://www.nitroreader.com/download/
>
>>> You need to keep in mind that Nitro Reader (when done) claims to be not
>>> just a replacement for PDF-Xchange but additionally for doPDF
>>> (converting various formats into PDF), and also for creating PDF forms
>>> (e.g. PDFCreator).
>>
>>There is a hazard in incorporating bloated features that most
>>users won't use: more consumption of computer resources (disk space to
>>install, memory space to load). Many products have wandered down the
>>path of trying to become a swiss army knife of features and losing track
>>of what they should have for core or sole functionality. Look at MS
>>Word where 90% of its users use only 10%, or less, of its features. The
>>free Word Web App available in OfficeLive (via SkyDrive) probably has
>>the majority of features used by most Word users.
>
> There's a difference between multi-purpose software like Nitro Reader,
> and single-purpose software with multiple features like MS Word.
> There's never going to be 100% feature usage with complex software
> applications.

But, as I recall from my very short-lived trial in a VM (to check disk
and memory consumption), there is no custom installation menu or tree
from which you can pick just exactly what components of Nitro Reader
that you want to install. What if you don't want their PDF service
because you have a preferred PDF printer driver already? What if you
don't need their PDF Hammer incorporated into Nitro Reader to generate
forms in a PDF file? Multi-purpose often means no choice in getting ALL
those purposes. That's why I chose the leaner product: not because it
gave me all those options during installation but because it didn't
include all the bloat that I don't need.
From: PDFrank on 20 Jul 2010 22:58
Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
> http://www.nitroreader.com/download/
>

Can a 64-bit PDF reader open a PDF twice as fast as a 32-bit PDF reader?
From: LouB on 21 Jul 2010 00:41
PDFrank wrote:
> Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nitroreader.com/download/
>>
>
> Can a 64-bit PDF reader open a PDF twice as fast as a 32-bit PDF reader?

Only if the PDF file > 2gig
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