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From: Steve Karl on 6 Jan 2008 12:25
Hi Sue,

I've got the same thoughts as poly on this.
Sonar hasn't crashed for me for ever it seems.

Anyway, my main conscern in Reaper would be midi also.
It'll be a while before I can get to a test though.
I've gotta finish some work already started and even though I ~seem to be~ in the last
32 bars there's no telling .... as of yet.

I'll definately report back when I do try it.

Steve




"Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:FA6gj.6145$lo5.3650(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> Steve I'm interested in your findings. I know you do a TON of midi work, much more complex than I do, but we use a lot of the
> same types of facilities. I'm so tired of Sonar crashing or behaving weird until I reboot (not always originates with Sonar, I
> know, but I'm after a clean working *environment*)... anyway please let us know what you think, it's the midi aspect that's
> holding me back. I just don't have any time right now to 'play' or I'd just go get it and see for myself. Thanks Steve.
>
> Great report John the app sounds very promising.
> --
> Sue Morton
>
> Steve Karl wrote:
>> Nice work.
>> The big open sound is noticable.
>>
>> I think I'm gonna have to try Reaper.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "malachi" <junk(a)trentes.com> wrote in message
>> news:OHWfj.6065$lo5.882(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I re-demoed my song "Ain't It Strange How Things Turn Out" using
>>> Reaper and posted it at: http://www.myspace.com/johntrentes
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/johntrentes (better sound quality)
>>>
>>> Original file was recorded at 24/48 and mastered/converted to mp3 in
>>> Wavelab. DAW front end consisted of a Frontier Tango 24 convertor into a
>>> digidesign 002rack, both clocked externally by a dbx 386 (wordclock
>>> to Tango, spdif to 002rack). Guitar and Mandolin were recorded direct through a Joemeek VC1Q
>>>
>>> Vocals were recorded with a Studio Projects C1 through a Studio
>>> Projects VTB1. Conclusion:
>>>
>>> I am totally shocked at the ease with which I was able to track,
>>> comp and mix in Reaper, while ending up with the best sound quality
>>> I have ever achieved in on of my recordings. It ran efficiently, didn't crash and performed each and every task
>>> without any unexpected results. I ended up with the big, open clear sound that I've unsuccessfully
>>> tried to wring out of several other apps for a long time now. Go
>>> listen for yourself. I am totally sold on this program and I plan to use it as my primary
>>> recording app from now on. malachi
>
>


From: Frank l on 6 Jan 2008 13:22
I'll have to ditto Poly and Steve except for the trying Reaper part, been
there, not for me, not even close, Only problems I have ever had with Sonar
have been my fault not Sonars, .
Frank L

"Steve Karl" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:va8gj.5870$Xo1.3828(a)trnddc06...
> Hi Sue,
>
> I've got the same thoughts as poly on this.
> Sonar hasn't crashed for me for ever it seems.
>
> Anyway, my main conscern in Reaper would be midi also.
> It'll be a while before I can get to a test though.
> I've gotta finish some work already started and even though I ~seem to be~
> in the last
> 32 bars there's no telling .... as of yet.
>
> I'll definately report back when I do try it.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:FA6gj.6145$lo5.3650(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>> Steve I'm interested in your findings. I know you do a TON of midi work,
>> much more complex than I do, but we use a lot of the same types of
>> facilities. I'm so tired of Sonar crashing or behaving weird until I
>> reboot (not always originates with Sonar, I know, but I'm after a clean
>> working *environment*)... anyway please let us know what you think, it's
>> the midi aspect that's holding me back. I just don't have any time right
>> now to 'play' or I'd just go get it and see for myself. Thanks Steve.
>>
>> Great report John the app sounds very promising.
>> --
>> Sue Morton
>>
>> Steve Karl wrote:
>>> Nice work.
>>> The big open sound is noticable.
>>>
>>> I think I'm gonna have to try Reaper.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "malachi" <junk(a)trentes.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OHWfj.6065$lo5.882(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> I re-demoed my song "Ain't It Strange How Things Turn Out" using
>>>> Reaper and posted it at: http://www.myspace.com/johntrentes
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/johntrentes (better sound quality)
>>>>
>>>> Original file was recorded at 24/48 and mastered/converted to mp3 in
>>>> Wavelab. DAW front end consisted of a Frontier Tango 24 convertor into
>>>> a
>>>> digidesign 002rack, both clocked externally by a dbx 386 (wordclock
>>>> to Tango, spdif to 002rack). Guitar and Mandolin were recorded direct
>>>> through a Joemeek VC1Q
>>>>
>>>> Vocals were recorded with a Studio Projects C1 through a Studio
>>>> Projects VTB1. Conclusion:
>>>>
>>>> I am totally shocked at the ease with which I was able to track,
>>>> comp and mix in Reaper, while ending up with the best sound quality
>>>> I have ever achieved in on of my recordings. It ran efficiently, didn't
>>>> crash and performed each and every task
>>>> without any unexpected results. I ended up with the big, open clear
>>>> sound that I've unsuccessfully
>>>> tried to wring out of several other apps for a long time now. Go
>>>> listen for yourself. I am totally sold on this program and I plan to
>>>> use it as my primary
>>>> recording app from now on. malachi
>>
>>
>
>


From: malachi on 6 Jan 2008 13:26
I have to admit that I'm much more concerned about the audio portion of the
program than the midi. I only ever use the most basic midi functions
anyway, so your experience might be to find Reaper wanting in that regard.

It has a pretty reliable piano roll editing view that I found stable and
intuitive, but your requirements may exceed mine.

FWIW, the violin in the track I linked to in the original post were done
with a sound font in sfz. I edited the volume and pitch curves a bit via
mouse in the piano roll window.

malachi

"Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:FA6gj.6145$lo5.3650(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> Steve I'm interested in your findings. I know you do a TON of midi work,
> much more complex than I do, but we use a lot of the same types of
> facilities. I'm so tired of Sonar crashing or behaving weird until I
> reboot (not always originates with Sonar, I know, but I'm after a clean
> working *environment*)... anyway please let us know what you think, it's
> the midi aspect that's holding me back. I just don't have any time right
> now to 'play' or I'd just go get it and see for myself. Thanks Steve.
>
> Great report John the app sounds very promising.
> --
> Sue Morton
>
> Steve Karl wrote:
>> Nice work.
>> The big open sound is noticable.
>>
>> I think I'm gonna have to try Reaper.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "malachi" <junk(a)trentes.com> wrote in message
>> news:OHWfj.6065$lo5.882(a)newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I re-demoed my song "Ain't It Strange How Things Turn Out" using
>>> Reaper and posted it at: http://www.myspace.com/johntrentes
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/johntrentes (better sound quality)
>>>
>>> Original file was recorded at 24/48 and mastered/converted to mp3 in
>>> Wavelab. DAW front end consisted of a Frontier Tango 24 convertor into a
>>> digidesign 002rack, both clocked externally by a dbx 386 (wordclock
>>> to Tango, spdif to 002rack). Guitar and Mandolin were recorded direct
>>> through a Joemeek VC1Q
>>>
>>> Vocals were recorded with a Studio Projects C1 through a Studio
>>> Projects VTB1. Conclusion:
>>>
>>> I am totally shocked at the ease with which I was able to track,
>>> comp and mix in Reaper, while ending up with the best sound quality
>>> I have ever achieved in on of my recordings. It ran efficiently, didn't
>>> crash and performed each and every task
>>> without any unexpected results. I ended up with the big, open clear
>>> sound that I've unsuccessfully
>>> tried to wring out of several other apps for a long time now. Go
>>> listen for yourself. I am totally sold on this program and I plan to use
>>> it as my primary
>>> recording app from now on. malachi
>
>


From: Sue Morton on 6 Jan 2008 15:25
Well, let's see. Besides the numerous bugs I've reported to Cake, of which
are still not fixed in S7 and were 'gotchas' to the point I had to take
audio tracks over to Audition to finish the project... I've posted those
bugs many times here so I don't want to get going on that again. Suffice it
so say I was able to prove to Cake's satisfaction that they are bugs, some
go back to Sonar 4 and 5. Then there's transient problems with the
environment -- as I said before, not necessarily originating with Sonar but
troublesome just the same. I spend way too much of my time trying to figure
out why something I think should work, doesn't, or only works intermittently
and I can't find what the deciding factor is. True sometimes it's pilot
error but just as often (or more often), not.

I don't know that I can find anything better for my needs than Sonar but I'm
always looking. I hate having a deadline and not being able to just sit
down and work. Much of the time that doesn't happen.
--
Sue Morton



From: Ben Goldman on 7 Jan 2008 01:55
malachi wrote:
> "Steve Karl" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:GfYfj.35854$8Z1.18444(a)trnddc05...
>> Nice work.
>> The big open sound is noticable.
>>
>> I think I'm gonna have to try Reaper.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>
> I didn't used to think that you'd find much difference in sound quality
> because of the application, but I used the same front end I was using for
> PTLE and the sound is vastly different in a good way.
>
> OK, I've done enough raving about Reaper here. Any more and I'm going to be
> a genuine troll for it.
>
> It's good. Try it.
>
> I'm done now. :)
>
> malachi
>
>

I noticed that the sample project used ogg vorbis files for audio clips.
They're considered by many to be superior to MP3. I'm guessing you
like the codec better. ;)

--
Cheers,
BenJamin
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