From: Donald on
larwe wrote:
> Markus Zingg wrote:
>
>
>>Btw, Microsoft made FAT32 (and particularlly long filename support)
>>available under a license. From what I understood the license is
>>afordable for small projects but still a license... The intention -
>
>
> The patents on which that was based were invalidated by the USPTO.
>
Do you have a link about this ??

donald
From: larwe on

Donald wrote:

> >>Btw, Microsoft made FAT32 (and particularlly long filename support)
> >>available under a license. From what I understood the license is
> >
> > The patents on which that was based were invalidated by the USPTO.
> >
> Do you have a link about this ??

The easiest reference - because I'm lazy - is a mere mention
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table>
search for "October 6, 2005"

In any case, the facts of the issue are: FAT32 per se contains nothing
patented. The patents pertain to having multiple databases of filenames
on the disk, i.e. LFNs in this case (which can be and are implemented
on FAT12 and FAT16 also). The patents in question were re-examined and
invalidated, so there is no longer anything to license. However
Microsoft's licensing page for FAT "patents" is still a live link and I
don't want to get involved in FUD and discussion.

Of course the above argument is really specious and the real reason I
don't implement LFNs is because I don't have any use for them in my
application, and I'm lazy ;) Okay, I admitted it.

I suspect the reason for the licensing program was more so that MS
would be able to exert leverage on embedded device manufacturers to
support MS formats or lose their "FAT license". The fee was $0.25 per
device shipped, up to a cap of $150K (lifetime) per manufacturer, which
is a peppercorn as far as MS is concerned.

From: "Sagaert Johan" <sagaert.j AT on
have a look here

http://sourceforge.net/projects/efsl

"larwe" <zwsdotcom(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136779531.250972.315290(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Google Groups is being recalcitrant these past couple of days, so I
> have no idea if the world will see this, but I've just released free C
> source to my embedded FAT filesystem. I've tested this code on a
> variety of platforms, including ARM, AVR and MSP430.
>
> I know there are several such filesystems in the world, but this one
> meets my particular requirements for functionality vs. footprint - it
> may be useful for someone else too.
>
> <http://www.zws.com/products/dosfs/>
>
> This code should be considered beta; I would appreciate feedback as to
> bugs.
>
> Here's the abstract:
>
> DOSFS is a FAT-compatible filesystem intended for fairly low-end
> embedded applications. It is not the leanest possible implementation
> (the leanest FAT implementations operate in << 512 bytes of RAM, with
> heavy restrictions). This code strikes a good balance between size and
> functionality, with an emphasis on RAM footprint.
>
> Intended target systems would be in the ballpark of 1K RAM, 4K ROM or
> more.
>
> Features:
>
> Supports FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 volumes
> Supports storage devices up to 2048Gbytes in size (LBA32)
> Supports devices with or without MBRs (hard disks vs. floppy disks or
> ZIP drives formatted as "big floppies")
> Supports multiple partitions on disks with MBRs
> Supports subdirectories
> Can be operated with a single global 512-byte sector buffer
> Fully reentrant code (assuming the underlying physical device driver is
> reentrant and global sector buffers are not used). There are no global
> variables in the filesystem
> Does not perform any memory allocation
> Partial support for random-access files
>


From: larwe on

Sagaert Johan wrote:
> have a look here
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/efsl

Unfortunately it tries to load an advertisement from ad.doubleclick.net
(which is blocked by my anti-advertising software) and some Javascript
or something on the page sees that the advertisement could not load,
tries again, tries again, ... and locks the browser up hard.

I'm not spending time on a site that's so determined to show me
graphical spam.

There is no advertising on zws.com :)

From: Jonathan Kirwan on
On 9 Jan 2006 12:23:19 -0800, "larwe" <zwsdotcom(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Sagaert Johan wrote:
>> have a look here
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/efsl
>
>Unfortunately it tries to load an advertisement from ad.doubleclick.net
>(which is blocked by my anti-advertising software) and some Javascript
>or something on the page sees that the advertisement could not load,
>tries again, tries again, ... and locks the browser up hard.
>
>I'm not spending time on a site that's so determined to show me
>graphical spam.

Try Delorie's web site for viewing web sites with Lynx;
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html
and just type in the above address. Pleasingly absent of ads.

Jon
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