From: art297 on
Liang,

First, congratulations on winning the SASLROY award.

As to your reasoning for using R, I don't disagree, but see that as a
major problem that SAS has to realize and realize the impact.

That leads to my disagreement with your initial comment. Many of us
have devoted far too much into becoming SAS professionals to simply sit
back and wait for "the guys at SAS to figure it out first."

The reason I am trying to organize interest in presenting it as a forum
for SGF11 is to do what I can to get SAS to change their business model
and become more aware of its users concerns. Yes, we can all simply
adopt different and more affordable solutions but, in many instances,
that is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. As a parent, I
would never do that and, as a SAS user, I don't want to be forced to do
it.

Art
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:34:02 -0400, oloolo <dynamicpanel(a)YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

>Let the guys at SAS to figure it out first
>I am using R for whatever SAS doens't provide or charges huge fees
>
>
>
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:04:42 -0700, Jack Hamilton
<jfh(a)STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
>wrote:
>>Good point.
>>
>>I think we're trying to figure out what SAS needs to do to get past
item
>#1.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jack Hamilton
>>jfh(a)alumni.stanford.org
>>Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Apr 30, 2010, at 5:40 , Vandenbroucke, David A wrote:
>>
>>> Having endured computer transitions from punch cards, CP/M, etc.,
>the "SAS Global Forum" and "R is and Epic Fail" threads remind me of
this
>sequence:
>>>
>>> 1. It just doesn't address the professional's needs...
>>> 2. There's too much of an installed base...
>>> 3. There will always be a place for...
>>> 4. That's more popular, but I prefer to us...
>>> 5. It's not too bad once you get used to...
>>> 6. There are really some clever features...
>>> 7. Yeah, I used to use that a lot, before...
>>>
>>> Of course, there were also technologies that were a flash in the
pan,
>which nobody much remembers anymore.
>>>
>>> Dav Vandenbroucke
>>> Senior Economist
>>> U.S. Dept. HUD
>>> david.a.vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov
>>> 202-402-5890
>>>
>>> I disclaim any disclaimers.

From: Sy on
On Apr 30, 10:55 am, art...(a)netscape.net wrote:
> Liang,
>
> First, congratulations on winning the SASLROY award.
>
> As to your reasoning for using R, I don't disagree, but see that as a
> major problem that SAS has to realize and realize the impact.
>
> That leads to my disagreement with your initial comment.  Many of us
> have devoted far too much into becoming SAS professionals to simply sit
> back and wait for "the guys at SAS to figure it out first."
>
> The reason I am trying to organize interest in presenting it as a forum
> for SGF11 is to do what I can to get SAS to change their business model
> and become more aware of its users concerns.  Yes, we can all simply
> adopt different and more affordable solutions but, in many instances,
> that is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.  As a parent, I
> would never do that and, as a SAS user, I don't want to be forced to do
> it.
>
> Art
> --------
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:34:02 -0400, oloolo <dynamicpa...(a)YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >Let the guys at SAS to figure it out first
> >I am using R for whatever SAS doens't provide or charges huge fees
>
> >On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:04:42 -0700, Jack Hamilton
>
> <j...(a)STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
>
>
>
> >wrote:
> >>Good point.
>
> >>I think we're trying to figure out what SAS needs to do to get past
> item
> >#1.
>
> >>--
> >>Jack Hamilton
> >>j...(a)alumni.stanford.org
> >>Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt.
>
> >>On Apr 30, 2010, at 5:40 , Vandenbroucke, David A wrote:
>
> >>> Having endured computer transitions from punch cards, CP/M, etc.,
> >the "SAS Global Forum" and "R is and Epic Fail" threads remind me of
> this
> >sequence:
>
> >>> 1. It just doesn't address the professional's needs...
> >>> 2. There's too much of an installed base...
> >>> 3. There will always be a place for...
> >>> 4. That's more popular, but I prefer to us...
> >>> 5. It's not too bad once you get used to...
> >>> 6. There are really some clever features...
> >>> 7. Yeah, I used to use that a lot, before...
>
> >>> Of course, there were also technologies that were a flash in the
> pan,
> >which nobody much remembers anymore.
>
> >>> Dav Vandenbroucke
> >>> Senior Economist
> >>> U.S. Dept. HUD
> >>> david.a.vandenbrou...(a)hud.gov
> >>> 202-402-5890
>
> >>> I disclaim any disclaimers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Ching,

The iPad is running an iPhone OS from Apple derived from Mac OS X.
Currently SAS is not supported on this so you cannot install it
locally on the device. It probably makes more sense for the device to
work as a client to access on the server since that is probably where
your data is anyways.

I interviewed Michael Thomas from SAS at SGF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdvRlh10Yo
.. He thinks SAS will have a tool perhaps at the end of the year. I
am also almost finished with an iPad App named "BI Flash" which is
targeted to be completed in September. It will be interesting to see
who completes first. :)

Sy
From: Ching on
thats good 2 know. good luck 2 u!! have a gr8 day.