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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 21 Jan 2010 14:41 Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > > P.S. the next time any person tries to persuade you that the Successor > cannot create > an infinite-number. Then just turn the tables on him by saying " so > you think that the > series 1 + 1 + ....+ 1 does not go to infinity but is equal to a > finite-number. > Alright the last post talking about how students learn the Peano Axioms with its Successor Axiom and how they are beguiled or mislead into a lifetime's worth of fakery. How they are mislead into thinking they have an infinite set, whose individual members are all finite-specimens. And the trouble seems to lie with the fact that Peano did not use Cauchy and the long history before the Peano axioms concerning the theory of Series. That if Peano had simply used the theory of Series, he could not have thus clouded the mathematics world with the fakery of Successor as delivering only finite- specimens. Now it is interesting that a contemporary of Peano did not miss the opportunity to create another system of numbers whose axioms use the Cauchy Series, rather than some convoluted Successor function and that was Hensel with the p-adics. So I am going to search through Cajori's book "History of Mathematics" 1991, to try to assemble the dates, rather than using Wikipedia which would have few dates and be more gap ridden since not one author wrote the entries. Cajori writes on page 373 " The faults of his time found their culmination in the Combinatorial School in Germany, which has now passed into oblivion." What I am going to spy into is the idea that if Dedekind and Peano and others had fixated on a Series rather than a Successor function for the Natural Numbers, that the Natural Numbers would be on the path of truth instead of their path of disgrace and that the Cantor era going into the Cohen Continuum farce would have never happened. As Cajori notes of one case of oblivion in the 1800s, it is my belief that if the Natural Numbers Axioms had been based strictly on Series would have caused Dedekind and Peano to also have to define precisely finite-number along with infinite-number and thus mathematics by the 1900s to 1990 would have been a far more "cleaner and logical mathematics" rather than its present day murky and filled with fakery. So let me follow some of that history, because the trouble I am seeing is that for some reason, Dedekind and Peano and others abandoned the Series and came up with a screwy and wretched function of Successor, when their best path was to have taken the Series and made that the axiom of the Natural Numbers. Also, one can argue that when Peano used the Successor as a function and not as a purely Series concept, that not only would that cover up the needed outcome that the Natural Numbers have both finite-numbers and infinite-numbers but that Peano, by using the Successor function is using the very idea of Natural Numbers as counting, so that it is a circular definition or circular axiom. In other words, Peano incorporated into his Successor Axiom what the Natural Numbers are, when it is the axiom that is supposed to create the Natural Numbers. You see what I am saying, is that Peano had a preconceived notion of Natural Numbers and incorporated his preconception into the Successor Axiom which is verboten. A modern day analogy is that Svante Paabo is trying to sequence the DNA of Neanderthal and he is verboten to have impurity contamination into his extracted Neanderthal samples, such as the DNA from the modern humans of their hair or skin falling into the test samples of Neanderthal. So contamination is a vital concern in Neanderthal DNA sequencing. In like manner, when Peano devised a Successor function for the axiom to build the Natural Numbers, rather than just purely using Series of endless adding of 1, that Peano had contaminated the axioms with a preconceived notion of what the Natural Numbers already were, before creating the Natural Numbers. The Successor function of Peano, has the Natural Numbers already existing, and thus a erroneous set of axioms. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |