Funding/Supporting future Common Lisp infrastructure development
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From: avi on 17 Dec 2009 12:32 Hello Lispers, Many of you will have noticed the call for funding Rich Hickey made over at the Clojure group a few days ago. http://clojure.org/funding In barely two days more than a hundred of Clojure users and half of dozen companies together donated more than half of what Rich proposed to make his dedicated work focused and sustainable in 2010. http://clojure.org/funders In a similar way a few years ago Bram Moolenar made possible for people to support Vim development by donating and voting for features. http://www.vim.org/sponsor/vote_results.php http://www.vim.org/sponsor/hall_of_honour.php Surely other examples will exist of such free software bounty systems set up in order to support dedicated developers. As a Lisp newbie, I would like such central incentive infrastructure also to exist for the free software community of Common Lisp. Such a system would both be a nice way to recompense the developers for their work on free Lisp software and to find out what features users deem necessary and would like to see worked on. What do you think whether such a bounty infrastructure would work for the Common Lisp community? Also, does somebody have the experience to set this up (since I certainly don't)?
From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 17 Dec 2009 15:58 avi <antvid(a)googlemail.com> writes: > What do you think whether such a bounty infrastructure would work for > the Common Lisp community? Also, does somebody have the experience to > set this up (since I certainly don't)? http://sourceforge.net/donate/?group_id=1355 and so on for the other CL projects hosted on sourceforge... -- __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: Elena on 18 Dec 2009 03:48 On 17 Dic, 17:32, avi <ant...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > What do you think whether such a bounty infrastructure would work for > the Common Lisp community? No, it wouldn't work. Rich Hickey has built a community around Clojure. No such community exists around any CL implementation.
From: Rainer Joswig on 18 Dec 2009 04:37 In article <03571880-502b-479c-a118-86f632554f6d(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Elena <egarrulo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 Dic, 17:32, avi <ant...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > What do you think whether such a bounty infrastructure would work for > > the Common Lisp community? > > No, it wouldn't work. Rich Hickey has built a community around > Clojure. No such community exists around any CL implementation. Communities in the CL world exist and work. SBCL for example has not one main implementor. Still it has a community. Just Monday and Tuesday was the SBCL10 workshop in London: http://sbcl10.sbcl.org/ SBCL has a very active community of users. Clozure CL has an active community and Clozure (the company) has been paid for work on Clozure CL by users. There was a call for example to support work on the GUI. Dan Weinreb has presented a long list of improvements to Clozure CL at the last European Common Lisp meeting that have been paid for by ITA Software. LispWorks, a commercial implementation of Common Lisp has an active community of users. I get a constant stream of mails from their user mailing list. Work on LispWorks is paid by users buying licenses, updates, service contracts, etcs. A new version of LispWorks is in beta. Any work on one of the commercial implementations is funded by the users. If these users are a community is a question, nearest comes LispWorks and their users. The free/open source implementations have communities. The largest is probably SBCL, which is very much community driven. Clozure CL has the difference that the implementation is open source, yet supported and driven by a company. Other communities may be smaller. ECL for example has some users and a lead developer. Funding him would directly benefit ECL and the applications that use it (Maxima and others). Also, there are lots of people who work on libraries and tools, now. There is less need to fund just one guy, but to keep multiple projects going - usually done by more than one guy. The open source world of CL has a lot of tools: * Common Lisp directory * paste.lisp.org * common-lisp.net * cliki.net .... and so on. This open source community is also funded by its users. If you want to help the projects, fund the maintainers or provide other help (like code, documentation, bug reports, ...). -- http://lispm.dyndns.org/
From: dan on 18 Dec 2009 06:46
Rainer Joswig <joswig(a)lisp.de> writes: > In article > <03571880-502b-479c-a118-86f632554f6d(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > Elena <egarrulo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> No, it wouldn't work. Rich Hickey has built a community around >> Clojure. No such community exists around any CL implementation. > > Communities in the CL world exist and work. > > SBCL for example has not one main implementor. > Still it has a community. > > Just Monday and Tuesday was the SBCL10 workshop in London: > http://sbcl10.sbcl.org/ Yes, I was there. Elena's assertion seems quite bizarre to me [ snip other stuff I agree with ] -dan |