Galileo's Paradox
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From: Tonico on 5 Dec 2006 16:00 Eckard Blumschein ha escrito: > On 12/5/2006 4:46 PM, Tonico wrote: > > Eckard Blumschein ha escrito: > > > >> On 12/4/2006 11:52 PM, Virgil wrote: > >> > >> >> I am an electrical engineer > >> > > >> > Shocking! > >> > >> Why? We love mathematics. > > *************************************************** > > Oh, I bet elec. eng. love maths; the problem seems to be that maths > > does not correspond AT ALL that love, at least in the case of several > > engineers...**sigh**...tough. > > Tonio > > > What is maths? ******************************************* I knew it!! Didn't I tell you all? Tonio
From: Tonico on 5 Dec 2006 16:02 Tony Orlow ha escrito: > Eckard Blumschein wrote: > > On 12/4/2006 9:56 PM, Bob Kolker wrote: > >> Eckard Blumschein wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> 2*oo is not larger than oo. Infinity is not a quantum but a quality. > >> But aleph-0 is a quantity. > >> > >> Bob Kolker > > > > > > To those who belive in the usefulness of that illusion. > > > > > > Aleph_0 is a phantom. The aleph_0th natural starting from 1 would be > aleph_0. It's not a count of the naturals. There is no smallest infinity > but, sorry to have to tell you, Eckard, a whole spectrum of infinities > that extend above and below any given infinite expression. Sure, > transfinitology is quasi-religious. Actual infinity can be quite > sensible, though. :) > > Tony *********************************************************** Just like good'ol Mad Journal with Spy vs Spy, but here it is "Troll vs Troll"...fascinating. Tonio
From: MoeBlee on 5 Dec 2006 16:04 Bob Kolker wrote: > Eckard Blumschein wrote: > > I wonder who educated Bob. Didn't he intend to kill the maybe million of > > muslims who live in Germany by means of atomic bombs? > > Not in Germany. In the Middle East. I won't pursue this any further except to say that this particular opinion of Kolker's (even though he should have the prerogative to express it) is morally beyond the pale. MoeBlee
From: Lester Zick on 5 Dec 2006 16:46 On 5 Dec 2006 13:04:57 -0800, "MoeBlee" <jazzmobe(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Bob Kolker wrote: >> Eckard Blumschein wrote: >> > I wonder who educated Bob. Didn't he intend to kill the maybe million of >> > muslims who live in Germany by means of atomic bombs? >> >> Not in Germany. In the Middle East. > >I won't pursue this any further except to say that this particular >opinion of Kolker's (even though he should have the prerogative to >express it) is morally beyond the pale. Really a shame to conflate mathematics and politics. ~v~~
From: Lester Zick on 5 Dec 2006 16:48
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:52:23 +0100, Eckard Blumschein <blumschein(a)et.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote: >On 12/4/2006 11:23 PM, Lester Zick wrote: >> On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:56:58 -0500, Bob Kolker <nowhere(a)nowhere.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Eckard Blumschein wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2*oo is not larger than oo. Infinity is not a quantum but a quality. >>> >>>But aleph-0 is a quantity. >> >> It is? So which quantity is it? I mean could you show us an aleph-0 >> quantity or at least prove that there is such a quantity? > >I am not sure if aleph_0 is considered a quantity in set theory. It is >irrelevant. Since the alefs are obviously ordered by countable indices, >they look like quantities. Cantor claimed to count the uncountable. >Cantor was naive enough as to believe that infinity is a firm quantum. Well lots of things share properties with other things. Doesn't mean they are those things though. ~v~~ |