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From: VanguardLH on 7 Mar 2010 16:34
za kAT wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 23:48:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> za kAT wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:50:15 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> za kAT wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:07:23 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So the other 6 products are bitching that they don't get exposure for their
>>>>>> grand total of 1.47% marketshare. Yeah, in an auditorium, like we really
>>>>>> care if a gnat happens to fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I disagree with you on this one. Many of our markets are now
>>>>> 'controlled' by large corporations because their presence is so
>>>>> overwhelming it's nigh impossible for the little man to get noticed, and
>>>>> therefore compete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we want the Internet to become like our high streets. They all look the
>>>>> same. Or do we want to encourage the little shops back?
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, we must force the high streets to look like the shabby
>>>> cobbler avenues, huh?
>>>
>>> OK, fine.
>>>
>>> every high st
>>>
>>> Argos
>>> McDonalds
>>> Virgin Megastore
>>> Asda
>>> etc
>>>
>>> Dull eh? and funny how these kind of businesses create their own slums.
>>>
>>>> Since when was your company forced to advertise its
>>>> competitor's wares?
>>>
>>> Since when did I destroy my competitors by giving away my products for
>>> free.
>>
>> And since when did your company get FORCED to advertise other competing
>> products, huh, whether free or not? So tell me who is your company, and
>> whose competing products do they advertise?
>
> Stupid question. My company hasn't had to make a deal with the European
> court. No one is complaining that I am competing unfairly that I'm aware
> of. If they did they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
>
> My company has to comply with much the same laws in Europe that Microsoft
> do.
>
> So what's your point here? It's not a blanket requirement for companies
> trading in Europe to advertise their competitors products.

You proved my point. YOUR company isn't being forced to advertise someone
else's wares. If laws were blind to the revenues being generated along with
the size of fines that can be extracted to fund the EU, you would also have
to be advertising your competitors. It isn't about the law. It's about
politics.

So if the law were so perfect, just WHY isn't your company advertising your
competitors? It's the law as you claim.
From: Craig on 7 Mar 2010 17:00
On 03/07/2010 01:34 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> It isn't about the law. It's about
> politics.

That's an odd argument. Considering how laws are created, one could
argue it's all politics.

Regardless, MS broke the law. This is the remediation.

--
-Craig
From: VanguardLH on 7 Mar 2010 17:29
Craig wrote:

> On 03/07/2010 01:34 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> It isn't about the law. It's about
>> politics.
>
> That's an odd argument. Considering how laws are created, one could
> argue it's all politics.
>
> Regardless, MS broke the law. This is the remediation.

So the remediation is that everyone and anyone that wants to spew out some
version of some web browser has to get equal weighting in the selector
dialog of which web browser to activate in Windows? This isn't about
fairness. It's about the gnats wanting as much attention as dragons.
From: za kAT on 7 Mar 2010 17:36
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:34:44 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> za kAT wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 23:48:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> za kAT wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:50:15 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> za kAT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:07:23 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the other 6 products are bitching that they don't get exposure for their
>>>>>>> grand total of 1.47% marketshare. Yeah, in an auditorium, like we really
>>>>>>> care if a gnat happens to fart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I disagree with you on this one. Many of our markets are now
>>>>>> 'controlled' by large corporations because their presence is so
>>>>>> overwhelming it's nigh impossible for the little man to get noticed, and
>>>>>> therefore compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we want the Internet to become like our high streets. They all look the
>>>>>> same. Or do we want to encourage the little shops back?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, we must force the high streets to look like the shabby
>>>>> cobbler avenues, huh?
>>>>
>>>> OK, fine.
>>>>
>>>> every high st
>>>>
>>>> Argos
>>>> McDonalds
>>>> Virgin Megastore
>>>> Asda
>>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> Dull eh? and funny how these kind of businesses create their own slums.
>>>>
>>>>> Since when was your company forced to advertise its
>>>>> competitor's wares?
>>>>
>>>> Since when did I destroy my competitors by giving away my products for
>>>> free.
>>>
>>> And since when did your company get FORCED to advertise other competing
>>> products, huh, whether free or not? So tell me who is your company, and
>>> whose competing products do they advertise?
>>
>> Stupid question. My company hasn't had to make a deal with the European
>> court. No one is complaining that I am competing unfairly that I'm aware
>> of. If they did they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
>>
>> My company has to comply with much the same laws in Europe that Microsoft
>> do.
>>
>> So what's your point here? It's not a blanket requirement for companies
>> trading in Europe to advertise their competitors products.
>
> You proved my point. YOUR company isn't being forced to advertise someone
> else's wares.

My company isn't being anti competitive.

> If laws were blind to the revenues being generated along with
> the size of fines that can be extracted to fund the EU, you would also have
> to be advertising your competitors.

This isn't about advertising competitors. It about allowing competition.

> It isn't about the law. It's about politics.

Most people consider the two intertwined. I have no idea what your point is
here.

> So if the law were so perfect, just WHY isn't your company advertising your
> competitors? It's the law as you claim.

Law isn't designed to be perfect. Taxes aren't designed to be fair. At the
fringes they aren't even set in stone. Get over it.

--
zakAT(a)pooh.the.cat
From: »Q« on 7 Mar 2010 18:55
In <news:Xns9D34AA7D4D6BBbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)69.16.185.247>,
Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote:

> If they applied this law to all companies in Europe, revolt would
> ensue.

Do you know of any some companies in Europe engaging in the kind
of illegal business practices Microsoft got tagged for who *aren't*
having European law applied to them?
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