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From: Rob Johnson on 26 Jun 2010 06:24 In article <4c254961$0$31370$4fafbaef(a)reader1.news.tin.it>, Joubert <trappedinthecloset9985(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 26/06/2010 1.27, Robert Israel wrote: > >> No, I mean for |y(x)| to go to infinity as x approaches a finite value. > >Then take for instance > >y'=(y^2 - 1)(y^2 + x^2) >y(0)=y* > >I know for sure that if y* > 1 there is not a globally defined solution >(as opposed to when |y*| < 1) but why? >It doesn't look like the right hand member ever goes to infinity (except >when y does). However, |y(x)| goes to infinity as x approaches a finite value, just as Robert Israel specified. If y(0) > 1, then for x > 0, we have y' > (y(0) - 1) y^3 Separating variables and integrating from 0 to x, we get |\y 1 (y(0) - 1) x < | --- dt \| y(0) t^3 1 1 1 = - ( ------ - --- ) 2 y(0)^2 y^2 Thus, y goes to infinity for some x no greater than 1 ------------------- 2 (y(0) - 1) y(0)^2 Rob Johnson <rob(a)trash.whim.org> take out the trash before replying to view any ASCII art, display article in a monospaced font
From: Joubert on 26 Jun 2010 09:42
On 06/26/2010 12:24 PM, Rob Johnson wrote: > However, |y(x)| goes to infinity as x approaches a finite value, just > as Robert Israel specified. If y(0)> 1, then for x> 0, we have > > y'> (y(0) - 1) y^3 > > Separating variables and integrating from 0 to x, we get > > |\y 1 > (y(0) - 1) x< | --- dt > \| y(0) t^3 > > 1 1 1 > = - ( ------ - --- ) > 2 y(0)^2 y^2 > > Thus, y goes to infinity for some x no greater than > > 1 > ------------------- > 2 (y(0) - 1) y(0)^2 > Thanks. I was trying to convince myself that it cannot be globally defined "by hand", I mean trying to "draw" the graph of a possible solution but I was going nowhere. Partially changing topic: do you have knowledge of any type of inversion for the existence and uniqueness theorem? I mean what can one say about f if y'=f(x,y) has a unique solution? |