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From: Gary Scott on 3 Nov 2006 19:22 beliavsky(a)aol.com wrote: > Steve Lionel wrote: > >>Gary Scott wrote: >> >> >>>I just meant that it needs to come included with the compiler. >>>Something included, that works on all platforms that you provide >>>compilers for, so that the source is fully portable across those >>>platforms, including the graphics. You shouldn't provide something like >>>quickwin on just one platform (no I don't think quickwin is the right >>>solution, it could be done better). I don't care which one you select >>>necessarily, whether open source or home grown or commercial as long as >>>it has a well designed base functionality. I want a complete, tailored >>>development environment (ok, I want the world). >> >>How much extra would you be willing to pay for this? How much extra do >>you think most other compiler buyers would be willing to pay to have >>this capability included? What other sorts of development items (such >>as F2003 features) would you be willing to trade off for this? > > > I vote for Fortran 2003 features over a cross-platform GUI. > > I write internal software to test trading strategies at a money > management firm. The output is written to CSV files that the manager > can open in Excel, and using the "system" extension found in IVF and > other compilers, graphs can be displayed using Gnuplot. Things were > similar at the previous financial job I held, except I used Python with > Numeric. The manager does not care if the program runs from the command > line, as long as it makes money. When he does want a GUI, Quickwin > should be fine, or we can buy a 3rd party GUI library. We don't care > about Linux or OS X. Even if Intel did have a cross-platform GUI, I > would be reluctant to rely too much on it, because I develop mostly > with g95. I'd guess that many people writing shrinkwrapped software for > Windows are comfortable with the .NET tools and can combine them with > Fortran to build GUIs. > > IVF is very slow at compiling compared to g95, gfortran, Lahey/Fujitsu, > Salford. I'd like to see that addressed. > I think that they could at a minimum cobble a complete product together from freeware without too much difficulty. However, there are other vendors that provide this already for about the same price. -- Gary Scott mailto:garylscott(a)sbcglobal dot net Fortran Library: http://www.fortranlib.com Support the Original G95 Project: http://www.g95.org -OR- Support the GNU GFortran Project: http://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/index.html Why are there two? God only knows. If you want to do the impossible, don't hire an expert because he knows it can't be done. -- Henry Ford
From: Gary Scott on 3 Nov 2006 19:25 Richard Maine wrote: > Steve Lionel <steve.lionel(a)intel.com> wrote: > > >>Gary Scott wrote: >> >> >>>I just meant that it needs to come included with the compiler. > > >>How much extra would you be willing to pay for this? How much extra do >>you think most other compiler buyers would be willing to pay to have >>this capability included? > > > Exactly my thought when I saw that. If you want it as an optional > (presumably extra cost) add-on that you nicely integrate with and make a > handy single line item on a purchase request, that's fine. (Sort of like > you do now with the IMSL stuff - maybe part of a "super-professional" > package or whatever the market droids would want to call it). But if > Gary is saying that he wants you to force me to pay extra because of > what he wants in your compiler, well... I think you can imagine from the > way I describe it what I'd have to say about that. > > And if he thinks that it will be included for no extra cost, well... > might as well throw in a few other dreams as well. Can you add in world > peace too? :-( > I've no problem with offering low-end, half baked products if they want to, I just want the opportunity to buy a high end product (from Intel). Many vendors offer high and low-end versions. -- Gary Scott mailto:garylscott(a)sbcglobal dot net Fortran Library: http://www.fortranlib.com Support the Original G95 Project: http://www.g95.org -OR- Support the GNU GFortran Project: http://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/index.html Why are there two? God only knows. If you want to do the impossible, don't hire an expert because he knows it can't be done. -- Henry Ford
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