From: UltimatePatriot on 29 Jun 2010 19:44 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:04:07 -0600, m II <sc(a)in.the.hat> wrote: >The Law will be catching up to soon, deviant. > When 'The Law' catches up to soon, what will it do with it? Is it going to put soon in 'The Jail'?
From: John Ferrell on 30 Jun 2010 10:13 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:48:11 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> Read Jefferson's letters... the amendment was written to _ensure_ >> citizen defense against a tyrannical government... like we have now >> :-( > >I sometimes wonder whether or not the second amendment was written in a >slightly-less-than-crystal-clear manner specifically so that (1) each >contributor could have something slightly different in mind (since Jefferson >very clearly did mean what you say there) but (2) they could get the thing >passed without having to fully flesh out such quibbles, just figuring they >would leave it for future generations to fight over. > >I do think it's a stretch to suggest that anyone there at the time was >thinking the average citizen shouldn't be able to walk down the street with, >e.g., a pistol on his person. > >---Joel > "God created man but Sam Colt made them equal" John Ferrell W8CCW
From: Pieyed Piper on 30 Jun 2010 10:49 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:13:48 -0400, John Ferrell <jferrell13(a)triad.rr.com> wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:48:11 -0700, "Joel Koltner" ><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> Read Jefferson's letters... the amendment was written to _ensure_ >>> citizen defense against a tyrannical government... like we have now >>> :-( >> >>I sometimes wonder whether or not the second amendment was written in a >>slightly-less-than-crystal-clear manner specifically so that (1) each >>contributor could have something slightly different in mind (since Jefferson >>very clearly did mean what you say there) but (2) they could get the thing >>passed without having to fully flesh out such quibbles, just figuring they >>would leave it for future generations to fight over. >> >>I do think it's a stretch to suggest that anyone there at the time was >>thinking the average citizen shouldn't be able to walk down the street with, >>e.g., a pistol on his person. >> >>---Joel >> >"God created man but Sam Colt made them equal" > >John Ferrell W8CCW If only that were still true.
From: JosephKK on 1 Jul 2010 06:55 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:13:48 -0400, John Ferrell <jferrell13(a)triad.rr.com> wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:48:11 -0700, "Joel Koltner" ><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> Read Jefferson's letters... the amendment was written to _ensure_ >>> citizen defense against a tyrannical government... like we have now >>> :-( >> >>I sometimes wonder whether or not the second amendment was written in a >>slightly-less-than-crystal-clear manner specifically so that (1) each >>contributor could have something slightly different in mind (since Jefferson >>very clearly did mean what you say there) but (2) they could get the thing >>passed without having to fully flesh out such quibbles, just figuring they >>would leave it for future generations to fight over. >> >>I do think it's a stretch to suggest that anyone there at the time was >>thinking the average citizen shouldn't be able to walk down the street with, >>e.g., a pistol on his person. >> >>---Joel >> >"God created man but Sam Colt made them equal" > >John Ferrell W8CCW Except that guns didn't.
From: Mark Zenier on 1 Jul 2010 19:19 In article <MdrWn.253441$vX7.148854(a)en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com>, Joel Koltner <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> Read Jefferson's letters... the amendment was written to _ensure_ >> citizen defense against a tyrannical government... like we have now >> :-( > >I sometimes wonder whether or not the second amendment was written in a >slightly-less-than-crystal-clear manner specifically so that (1) each >contributor could have something slightly different in mind (since Jefferson >very clearly did mean what you say there) but (2) they could get the thing >passed without having to fully flesh out such quibbles, just figuring they >would leave it for future generations to fight over. One indicator of "what needs to be read between the lines" is the one thing that the Militia was really used for in the next several decades after the Bill of Rights was approved. Suppression of Slave Revolts. (That and the fiasco of trying to annex Canada after the British were busy practicing war with Napoleon for a decade or more. When, by that time, militia training had regressed to an excuse for a political rally/beer bash). Mark Zenier mzenier(a)eskimo.com Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
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