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From: Mark Adams on 3 Aug 2010 15:41 "Steve" wrote: > Hi again... > > Ran chkdsk/f thru with NO errors... checked BIOS and it only has 3-5 user > settings... none are "drive related". Pretty simple BIOS > Steve > Have you checked the Compaq website for updated drivers? This sounds like it could be driver related if the machine works in Safe Mode when drivers aren't loaded. > > "Peter Taylor" <fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:i39hmn$an6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > On 8/3/2010 6:18 PM, Steve wrote: > >> Hi Peter... > >> > >> I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I checked and it's > >> set > >> to "Ultra DMA Mode 5"... Steve > > > > Hmmmm, sounds bad. Try doing a chkdsk /f to make sure the hard drive isn't > > screwed. Does the BIOS also say Ultra DMA? > >> > >> > >> > >> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message > >> news:i3982o$p8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >>> On 8/3/2010 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> I've had this Presario 2195US laptop for 4-5 years; running XP from SP1 > >>>> to > >>>> (now) SP3... no problems. 2-3 weeks ago, I tried to connect a 160gb > >>>> USB-encased hard drive with no luck... proceeding along I pretty much > >>>> hosed > >>>> my windows. > >>>> > >>>> Anyway, I decided to reformat/install a copy of XP Pro w/SP3 (thought > >>>> XP > >>>> Home didn't like 160gb) and, after a few MS updates, every time I boot > >>>> the > >>>> system it shows the DESKTOP, the bottom left of the TaskBar and NOTHING > >>>> on > >>>> bottom-right. Cursor moves, I can Ctrl-Alt-Delete and, when I move > >>>> cursor > >>>> to TaskBar area... cursor turns into the old hour-glass. > >>>> > >>>> I then reinstall with the original Compaq QuickRestore CDs (started > >>>> with > >>>> HOME SP1 and updated thru SP3)... and somewhere along in the MS > >>>> Updates... > >>>> same symptom... boot ends up with SHOWING DESKTOP, half TaskBar, moving > >>>> cursor but can't do anything else. Again, this setup worked for last > >>>> 4-5 > >>>> years. > >>>> > >>>> I found that booting to Safe Mode and System Restore to the last > >>>> CheckPoint > >>>> gave me my system back... which worked as long as I did NOT reboot. > >>>> Googling for a last week or so... I saw someone would Ctrl-Alt-Delete > >>>> to > >>>> TaskManager, kill EXPLORER and then do a NEW TASK and manually start > >>>> EXPLORER... Works like a champ... but does get old after every reboot. > >>>> > >>>> So... SafeMode works... tried going thru MSCONFIG list but with a huge > >>>> list > >>>> and constant rebooting take hours. Killing/starting Explorer works... > >>>> but I > >>>> don't understand why Explorer hangs when Windows starts up but then > >>>> works > >>>> when manually started?? > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone seen this before... and resolved it?? Sure could use some > >>>> help... going crazy now! > >>>> > >>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Check to make sure that your hard drive isn't set to PIO. You can check > >>> in > >>> System Properties where you should go to Hardware/Device Manager/IDE > >>> ATA/ATPI controllers/Right click on Primary IDE Channel and go to > >>> Properties/Advanced Settings tab. The setting under Transfer Mode should > >>> be DMA and the Current Transfer Mode should be Ultra DMA Mode > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Peter Taylor > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Peter Taylor > > > . >
From: SteveK50 on 4 Aug 2010 19:02 Hey Peter... Finally figured it out... one of the latest Windows Updates did "something" and it caused some sort of grief with the SERVICE named "Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)". Now that I've disabled that service... system boots up just fine... however... I've lost the Windows Firewall capability!?!!! I really don't understand why a common/necessary "Firewall Service" update is now screwing up my machine... especially when I can kill EXPLORER.EXE; restart it and system boots up just fine from there!???? And that's WITH the "Firewall Service" running?? Steve "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B1B8AF29-8FF5-4B8C-AD7A-C5FD58C4EDF9(a)microsoft.com... > > > "Steve" wrote: > >> Hi again... >> >> Ran chkdsk/f thru with NO errors... checked BIOS and it only has 3-5 user >> settings... none are "drive related". Pretty simple BIOS >> Steve >> > > > Have you checked the Compaq website for updated drivers? This sounds like > it > could be driver related if the machine works in Safe Mode when drivers > aren't > loaded. > > >> >> "Peter Taylor" <fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i39hmn$an6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> > On 8/3/2010 6:18 PM, Steve wrote: >> >> Hi Peter... >> >> >> >> I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I checked and >> >> it's >> >> set >> >> to "Ultra DMA Mode 5"... Steve >> > >> > Hmmmm, sounds bad. Try doing a chkdsk /f to make sure the hard drive >> > isn't >> > screwed. Does the BIOS also say Ultra DMA? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >> >> news:i3982o$p8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> On 8/3/2010 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: >> >>>> Hi all, >> >>>> >> >>>> I've had this Presario 2195US laptop for 4-5 years; running XP from >> >>>> SP1 >> >>>> to >> >>>> (now) SP3... no problems. 2-3 weeks ago, I tried to connect a 160gb >> >>>> USB-encased hard drive with no luck... proceeding along I pretty >> >>>> much >> >>>> hosed >> >>>> my windows. >> >>>> >> >>>> Anyway, I decided to reformat/install a copy of XP Pro w/SP3 >> >>>> (thought >> >>>> XP >> >>>> Home didn't like 160gb) and, after a few MS updates, every time I >> >>>> boot >> >>>> the >> >>>> system it shows the DESKTOP, the bottom left of the TaskBar and >> >>>> NOTHING >> >>>> on >> >>>> bottom-right. Cursor moves, I can Ctrl-Alt-Delete and, when I move >> >>>> cursor >> >>>> to TaskBar area... cursor turns into the old hour-glass. >> >>>> >> >>>> I then reinstall with the original Compaq QuickRestore CDs (started >> >>>> with >> >>>> HOME SP1 and updated thru SP3)... and somewhere along in the MS >> >>>> Updates... >> >>>> same symptom... boot ends up with SHOWING DESKTOP, half TaskBar, >> >>>> moving >> >>>> cursor but can't do anything else. Again, this setup worked for >> >>>> last >> >>>> 4-5 >> >>>> years. >> >>>> >> >>>> I found that booting to Safe Mode and System Restore to the last >> >>>> CheckPoint >> >>>> gave me my system back... which worked as long as I did NOT reboot. >> >>>> Googling for a last week or so... I saw someone would >> >>>> Ctrl-Alt-Delete >> >>>> to >> >>>> TaskManager, kill EXPLORER and then do a NEW TASK and manually start >> >>>> EXPLORER... Works like a champ... but does get old after every >> >>>> reboot. >> >>>> >> >>>> So... SafeMode works... tried going thru MSCONFIG list but with a >> >>>> huge >> >>>> list >> >>>> and constant rebooting take hours. Killing/starting Explorer >> >>>> works... >> >>>> but I >> >>>> don't understand why Explorer hangs when Windows starts up but then >> >>>> works >> >>>> when manually started?? >> >>>> >> >>>> Has anyone seen this before... and resolved it?? Sure could use >> >>>> some >> >>>> help... going crazy now! >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks in advance, >> >>>> Steve >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Check to make sure that your hard drive isn't set to PIO. You can >> >>> check >> >>> in >> >>> System Properties where you should go to Hardware/Device Manager/IDE >> >>> ATA/ATPI controllers/Right click on Primary IDE Channel and go to >> >>> Properties/Advanced Settings tab. The setting under Transfer Mode >> >>> should >> >>> be DMA and the Current Transfer Mode should be Ultra DMA Mode >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Peter Taylor >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Peter Taylor >> >> >> . >>
From: Peter Taylor on 5 Aug 2010 05:37 On 8/5/2010 1:02 AM, SteveK50 wrote: > Hey Peter... > > Finally figured it out... one of the latest Windows Updates did "something" > and it caused some sort of grief with the SERVICE named "Windows > Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)". Now that I've disabled that > service... system boots up just fine... however... I've lost the Windows > Firewall capability!?!!! > > I really don't understand why a common/necessary "Firewall Service" update > is now screwing up my machine... especially when I can kill EXPLORER.EXE; > restart it and system boots up just fine from there!???? And that's WITH > the "Firewall Service" running?? > > Steve Just a shot in the dark but do you have another firewall installed that perhaps came with an anti virus suite? > > > > "Mark Adams"<MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B1B8AF29-8FF5-4B8C-AD7A-C5FD58C4EDF9(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> "Steve" wrote: >> >>> Hi again... >>> >>> Ran chkdsk/f thru with NO errors... checked BIOS and it only has 3-5 user >>> settings... none are "drive related". Pretty simple BIOS >>> Steve >>> >> >> >> Have you checked the Compaq website for updated drivers? This sounds like >> it >> could be driver related if the machine works in Safe Mode when drivers >> aren't >> loaded. >> >> >>> >>> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:i39hmn$an6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> On 8/3/2010 6:18 PM, Steve wrote: >>>>> Hi Peter... >>>>> >>>>> I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I checked and >>>>> it's >>>>> set >>>>> to "Ultra DMA Mode 5"... Steve >>>> >>>> Hmmmm, sounds bad. Try doing a chkdsk /f to make sure the hard drive >>>> isn't >>>> screwed. Does the BIOS also say Ultra DMA? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:i3982o$p8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> On 8/3/2010 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've had this Presario 2195US laptop for 4-5 years; running XP from >>>>>>> SP1 >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> (now) SP3... no problems. 2-3 weeks ago, I tried to connect a 160gb >>>>>>> USB-encased hard drive with no luck... proceeding along I pretty >>>>>>> much >>>>>>> hosed >>>>>>> my windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, I decided to reformat/install a copy of XP Pro w/SP3 >>>>>>> (thought >>>>>>> XP >>>>>>> Home didn't like 160gb) and, after a few MS updates, every time I >>>>>>> boot >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> system it shows the DESKTOP, the bottom left of the TaskBar and >>>>>>> NOTHING >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> bottom-right. Cursor moves, I can Ctrl-Alt-Delete and, when I move >>>>>>> cursor >>>>>>> to TaskBar area... cursor turns into the old hour-glass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I then reinstall with the original Compaq QuickRestore CDs (started >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> HOME SP1 and updated thru SP3)... and somewhere along in the MS >>>>>>> Updates... >>>>>>> same symptom... boot ends up with SHOWING DESKTOP, half TaskBar, >>>>>>> moving >>>>>>> cursor but can't do anything else. Again, this setup worked for >>>>>>> last >>>>>>> 4-5 >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found that booting to Safe Mode and System Restore to the last >>>>>>> CheckPoint >>>>>>> gave me my system back... which worked as long as I did NOT reboot. >>>>>>> Googling for a last week or so... I saw someone would >>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Delete >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> TaskManager, kill EXPLORER and then do a NEW TASK and manually start >>>>>>> EXPLORER... Works like a champ... but does get old after every >>>>>>> reboot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So... SafeMode works... tried going thru MSCONFIG list but with a >>>>>>> huge >>>>>>> list >>>>>>> and constant rebooting take hours. Killing/starting Explorer >>>>>>> works... >>>>>>> but I >>>>>>> don't understand why Explorer hangs when Windows starts up but then >>>>>>> works >>>>>>> when manually started?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone seen this before... and resolved it?? Sure could use >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> help... going crazy now! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Check to make sure that your hard drive isn't set to PIO. You can >>>>>> check >>>>>> in >>>>>> System Properties where you should go to Hardware/Device Manager/IDE >>>>>> ATA/ATPI controllers/Right click on Primary IDE Channel and go to >>>>>> Properties/Advanced Settings tab. The setting under Transfer Mode >>>>>> should >>>>>> be DMA and the Current Transfer Mode should be Ultra DMA Mode >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Peter Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter Taylor >>> >>> >>> . >>> > > -- Peter Taylor
From: SteveK50 on 5 Aug 2010 08:39 Morning... Nope... I was using Microsoft Security Essentials with Windows XP built-in Firewall turned OFF. Since running into this problem last week; I have since reformatted my hard-drives and using XP Home (on one) and XP PRO (on second)... NO AV at all. Both reinstalls were "virgin"... Home started with SP1; Pro with SP2... downloaded Windows Updates until the update "after SP3"... I figure maybe 25-30 updates and then it hung. So I figure Windows Firewall was turned ON right after SP2 and I didn't change that. Oh yeah... BOTH drives (which I put in and take out of my laptop) have Office XP installed (for Outlook to read mail)... using Outlook Express (to read this group)... and NO OTHER APPS AT ALL. I've no idea how to figure out the "last 25-30 updates"... to back out and see which caused this... that's a new task for me to start on. It's just frustrating when "standard Microsoft install/download" messes up... and I've no idea where to go (at this time). Appreciate all your comments so far... hopefully you'll keep them coming. Another set of eyes... especially from those who know more than I do... are VERY WELCOME. Steve "Peter Taylor" <noemailspam(a)please.com.invalid> wrote in message news:i3e0od$49e$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 8/5/2010 1:02 AM, SteveK50 wrote: >> Hey Peter... >> >> Finally figured it out... one of the latest Windows Updates did >> "something" >> and it caused some sort of grief with the SERVICE named "Windows >> Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)". Now that I've disabled that >> service... system boots up just fine... however... I've lost the Windows >> Firewall capability!?!!! >> >> I really don't understand why a common/necessary "Firewall Service" >> update >> is now screwing up my machine... especially when I can kill EXPLORER.EXE; >> restart it and system boots up just fine from there!???? And that's WITH >> the "Firewall Service" running?? >> >> Steve > > Just a shot in the dark but do you have another firewall installed that > perhaps came with an anti virus suite? >> >> >> >> "Mark Adams"<MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B1B8AF29-8FF5-4B8C-AD7A-C5FD58C4EDF9(a)microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> "Steve" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi again... >>>> >>>> Ran chkdsk/f thru with NO errors... checked BIOS and it only has 3-5 >>>> user >>>> settings... none are "drive related". Pretty simple BIOS >>>> Steve >>>> >>> >>> >>> Have you checked the Compaq website for updated drivers? This sounds >>> like >>> it >>> could be driver related if the machine works in Safe Mode when drivers >>> aren't >>> loaded. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:i39hmn$an6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> On 8/3/2010 6:18 PM, Steve wrote: >>>>>> Hi Peter... >>>>>> >>>>>> I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I checked and >>>>>> it's >>>>>> set >>>>>> to "Ultra DMA Mode 5"... Steve >>>>> >>>>> Hmmmm, sounds bad. Try doing a chkdsk /f to make sure the hard drive >>>>> isn't >>>>> screwed. Does the BIOS also say Ultra DMA? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Peter Taylor"<fakeemail(a)fakeemail.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i3982o$p8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> On 8/3/2010 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've had this Presario 2195US laptop for 4-5 years; running XP from >>>>>>>> SP1 >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> (now) SP3... no problems. 2-3 weeks ago, I tried to connect a >>>>>>>> 160gb >>>>>>>> USB-encased hard drive with no luck... proceeding along I pretty >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>> hosed >>>>>>>> my windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, I decided to reformat/install a copy of XP Pro w/SP3 >>>>>>>> (thought >>>>>>>> XP >>>>>>>> Home didn't like 160gb) and, after a few MS updates, every time I >>>>>>>> boot >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> system it shows the DESKTOP, the bottom left of the TaskBar and >>>>>>>> NOTHING >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> bottom-right. Cursor moves, I can Ctrl-Alt-Delete and, when I move >>>>>>>> cursor >>>>>>>> to TaskBar area... cursor turns into the old hour-glass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I then reinstall with the original Compaq QuickRestore CDs (started >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> HOME SP1 and updated thru SP3)... and somewhere along in the MS >>>>>>>> Updates... >>>>>>>> same symptom... boot ends up with SHOWING DESKTOP, half TaskBar, >>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>> cursor but can't do anything else. Again, this setup worked for >>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>> 4-5 >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found that booting to Safe Mode and System Restore to the last >>>>>>>> CheckPoint >>>>>>>> gave me my system back... which worked as long as I did NOT reboot. >>>>>>>> Googling for a last week or so... I saw someone would >>>>>>>> Ctrl-Alt-Delete >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> TaskManager, kill EXPLORER and then do a NEW TASK and manually >>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>> EXPLORER... Works like a champ... but does get old after every >>>>>>>> reboot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... SafeMode works... tried going thru MSCONFIG list but with a >>>>>>>> huge >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> and constant rebooting take hours. Killing/starting Explorer >>>>>>>> works... >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> don't understand why Explorer hangs when Windows starts up but then >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> when manually started?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone seen this before... and resolved it?? Sure could use >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> help... going crazy now! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check to make sure that your hard drive isn't set to PIO. You can >>>>>>> check >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> System Properties where you should go to Hardware/Device Manager/IDE >>>>>>> ATA/ATPI controllers/Right click on Primary IDE Channel and go to >>>>>>> Properties/Advanced Settings tab. The setting under Transfer Mode >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> be DMA and the Current Transfer Mode should be Ultra DMA Mode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Peter Taylor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >> >> > > > -- > Peter Taylor
From: Peter Taylor on 5 Aug 2010 10:04
On 8/5/2010 2:39 PM, SteveK50 wrote: > Morning... > > Nope... I was using Microsoft Security Essentials with Windows XP built-in > Firewall turned OFF. Since running into this problem last week; I have > since reformatted my hard-drives and using XP Home (on one) and XP PRO (on > second)... NO AV at all. > > Both reinstalls were "virgin"... Home started with SP1; Pro with SP2... > downloaded Windows Updates until the update "after SP3"... I figure maybe > 25-30 updates and then it hung. So I figure Windows Firewall was turned ON > right after SP2 and I didn't change that. Oh yeah... BOTH drives (which I > put in and take out of my laptop) have Office XP installed (for Outlook to > read mail)... using Outlook Express (to read this group)... and NO OTHER > APPS AT ALL. > > I've no idea how to figure out the "last 25-30 updates"... to back out and > see which caused this... that's a new task for me to start on. > > It's just frustrating when "standard Microsoft install/download" messes > up... and I've no idea where to go (at this time). > > Appreciate all your comments so far... hopefully you'll keep them coming. > Another set of eyes... especially from those who know more than I do... are > VERY WELCOME. > > Steve After you installed SP3, did you reboot twice? Did you install the chip set drivers, video drivers, USB drivers and audio drivers and were the latest ones or the ones on a CD? -- Peter Taylor |