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From: Shenan Stanley on 5 Sep 2009 09:13
Robert Thomas wrote:
> Windows Update offered this, and when installed, disabled the
> built-in wireless network adapter on my HP laptop. Fortunately, I
> was able to roll back windows XP using system restore, but sheesh!
>
> Please don't off any more updates that disable my system. I lost
> two hours trying to get my adapter to work before i gave up and did
> the ollback. This isn't funny. People are trying to get work done
> out here.
>
> Robert Thomas
> rtsf707(a)hotmail.com

This is a peer-to-peer newsgroup. No one here likely offered you anything
at all - and even if they did - it is your options to investigate it and
accept/deny the offer as you see fit. Accepting things you don't understand
is probably not something you should do anyway. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


From: cate on 24 Sep 2009 19:22
On Sep 5, 9:13 am, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert Thomas wrote:
> > Windows Update offered this, and when installed, disabled the
> > built-in wireless network adapter on my HP laptop. Fortunately, I
> > was able to roll back windows XP using system restore, but sheesh!
>
> > Please don't off any more updates that disable my system. I lost
> > two hours trying to get my adapter to work before i gave up and did
> > the ollback. This isn't funny. People are trying to get work done
> > out here.
>
> > Robert Thomas
> > rtsf...(a)hotmail.com
>
> This is a peer-to-peer newsgroup.  No one here likely offered you anything
> at all - and even if they did - it is your options to investigate it and
> accept/deny the offer as you see fit.  Accepting things you don't understand
> is probably not something you should do anyway.  ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Shenan,
Robert Thomas said that Windows Update offered the update that tanked
his computer --he didn't say that it was anyone from google groups
offered it. Like Robert, I am totally frustrated with the constant
updates that all of the software programs push on us, and then claim
no responsibility when they scramble some part of our systems.

Fortunately, my MS update couldn't update the HID non-user data filter
gizmo, but the MS updater is still constantly announcing that it is
ready to be installed. I'm here because the MS website did not tell me
what the HID gizmo is --- but now I find that if it had installed, it
would have scrambled my system. Accepting updates that we don't
understand?? This HID update was placed in the MS auto-update. I have
auto-update turned off -- but IE8 is buggy, so I decided/hoped maybe
the update was to fix IE8. MS auto-update does not say what it is
going to install (probably there is some hidden way to figure out what
the updates are called, then track that to what the update does, and
then track that to known errors -- but that would require a lot of
time that I do not have right now.)-- it just flashes that we need to
update.

As Robert said, I have work to do, and tech problems are not my work.
I was a tech in grad school, and at that time -- tech problems WERE my
work. But now they are programmer errors that are preventing me from
doing my work.

Cate
From: Harry Johnston [MVP] on 24 Sep 2009 21:18
cate wrote:

> Robert Thomas said that Windows Update offered the update that tanked
> his computer --he didn't say that it was anyone from google groups
> offered it.

Actually he did, at least by implication: "Please don't off[er] any more updates".

> Fortunately, my MS update couldn't update the HID non-user data filter
> gizmo, but the MS updater is still constantly announcing that it is
> ready to be installed. I'm here because the MS website did not tell me
> what the HID gizmo is --- but now I find that if it had installed, it
> would have scrambled my system.

Just because it caused problems for one person, doesn't mean it will cause
problems for everyone. Look up the KB article (911895) on Microsoft's site. If
you have one of the affected pieces of hardware, it is probably a good idea to
install the update.

> As Robert said, I have work to do, and tech problems are not my work.
> I was a tech in grad school, and at that time -- tech problems WERE my
> work. But now they are programmer errors that are preventing me from
> doing my work.

Unfortunately, computers are not yet appliances. They can't be relied upon to
Just Work; they need maintenance now and then. That's just the state of the
art. Think of it like owning a car back in the early days of this century ...
either you learn how to fix it yourself, or you get someone else to do it for
you, because it *will* break down. :-)

Harry.
From: cate on 25 Sep 2009 00:26
On Sep 24, 9:18 pm, "Harry Johnston [MVP]" <ha...(a)scms.waikato.ac.nz>
wrote:
> cate wrote:
> > Robert Thomas said that Windows Update offered the update that tanked
> > his computer --he didn't say that it was anyone from google groups
> > offered it.
>
> Actually he did, at least by implication: "Please don't off[er] any more updates".
>
> > Fortunately, my MS update couldn't update the HID non-user data filter
> > gizmo, but the MS updater is still constantly announcing that it is
> > ready to be installed. I'm here because the MS website did not tell me
> > what the HID gizmo is --- but now I find that if it had installed, it
> > would have scrambled my system.
>
> Just because it caused problems for one person, doesn't mean it will cause
> problems for everyone.  Look up the KB article (911895) on Microsoft's site.  If
> you have one of the affected pieces of hardware, it is probably a good idea to
> install the update.
>
> > As Robert said, I have work to do, and tech problems are not my work.
> > I was a tech in grad school, and at that time -- tech problems WERE my
> > work. But now they are programmer errors that are preventing me from
> > doing my work.
>
> Unfortunately, computers are not yet appliances.  They can't be relied upon to
> Just Work; they need maintenance now and then.  That's just the state of the
> art.  Think of it like owning a car back in the early days of this century ...
> either you learn how to fix it yourself, or you get someone else to do it for
> you, because it *will* break down. :-)
>
>    Harry.

Harry,
Yes -- when I drove a Jag it required a lot of maintenance, but it was
worth it. Except that I finally decided that cars are not playthings.

I agree that computers aren't appliances, so I have Dell service 24/7
by 2 hours -- but this type of problem isn't covered.

Do you know about the iexplore.exe application error? -- IE8 but other
versions seem to have it too. I am running XP Professional -- it
reports a memory conflict, says I have to debug, then recycles to the
memory conflict again.
Cate
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