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From: LewB on 28 May 2010 19:35

Since I have been trying to sort out backup apps I have been reading
through the prior postings and came across this one you authored last year.
Why do you not support the backup that comes with XP? Doesn't it do full,
incremental, and differential backups?? It seems to me the only thing it
does not do that Acronis does is clone to a new HD and/or do a mirror backup
to an external disc. Can you expand on your statement?
LJB
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:29:01 -0800, Don
> <Don(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > XP Backup is great except for the time required to select the folders to BU.
> > Is there a way that I can save this list of folders to be backed up and
> > eliminate having to select them each time I want to backup?
>
>
> You replied to a *very* old message of mine.
>
> Personally I think that the backup program which comes with XP is
> about the poorest choice available, and I recommend against it. The
> best backup program is Acronis TrueImage.
>
> Windows Home Server's beta is over and it's now released. As Doug said
> in his message quoted below, is a great way to get backups performed
> automatically, and I recommend it highly if you are willing to spend
> the money for an extra computer as well as the software.
>
>
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >
> > > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > >
> > > > Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Ken,
> > > >>
> > > >> You might also want to add a comment about Windows Home Server, just
> > > >> in case the user has a spare PC laying around. The beta is now open
> > > >> for the general public to apply.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://connect.microsoft.com/windowshomeserver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Doug. I was planning on adding something about WHS to my
> > > > standard backup message, but I'm reluctant to do it yet. Even if the
> > > > beta is open to the public, I'm hesitant to recommend beta software.
> > >
> > >
> > > Replying to my own post, I'd also like to wait until I have a little more
> > > experience with WHS myself. Coming soon.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> > > Please reply to the newsgroup
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
From: peter on 28 May 2010 20:49
Here is one reason.....you back up all of your personal work using XP backup
and then you upgrade to W7...........and lo and behold it uses a different
backup
program and all your work just sits on the backup medium inaccessible.

peter

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"LewB" <whoislew(a)hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:E5CE3927-D282-4BD5-BDA1-5FC62607A40D(a)microsoft.com...
>
> Since I have been trying to sort out backup apps I have been reading
> through the prior postings and came across this one you authored last
> year.
> Why do you not support the backup that comes with XP? Doesn't it do full,
> incremental, and differential backups?? It seems to me the only thing it
> does not do that Acronis does is clone to a new HD and/or do a mirror
> backup
> to an external disc. Can you expand on your statement?
> LJB
> --
> LJB
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:29:01 -0800, Don
>> <Don(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> > XP Backup is great except for the time required to select the folders
>> > to BU.
>> > Is there a way that I can save this list of folders to be backed up and
>> > eliminate having to select them each time I want to backup?
>>
>>
>> You replied to a *very* old message of mine.
>>
>> Personally I think that the backup program which comes with XP is
>> about the poorest choice available, and I recommend against it. The
>> best backup program is Acronis TrueImage.
>>
>> Windows Home Server's beta is over and it's now released. As Doug said
>> in his message quoted below, is a great way to get backups performed
>> automatically, and I recommend it highly if you are willing to spend
>> the money for an extra computer as well as the software.
>>
>>
>> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi Ken,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You might also want to add a comment about Windows Home Server,
>> > > >> just
>> > > >> in case the user has a spare PC laying around. The beta is now
>> > > >> open
>> > > >> for the general public to apply.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> http://connect.microsoft.com/windowshomeserver
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks, Doug. I was planning on adding something about WHS to my
>> > > > standard backup message, but I'm reluctant to do it yet. Even if
>> > > > the
>> > > > beta is open to the public, I'm hesitant to recommend beta
>> > > > software.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Replying to my own post, I'd also like to wait until I have a little
>> > > more
>> > > experience with WHS myself. Coming soon.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> > > Please reply to the newsgroup
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
From: LewB on 29 May 2010 12:37
I wasn't aware of this debacle....you are indicating that Window7 will not
accept a backup made with the WinXP backup apps. Hard to believe.
But sticking to XP only why does Ken downgrade the backup program that
comes with it? As mentioned it seems to provide the standard variety of
backup choices, full, incremental, differential, etc.......so except for the
absence of creating an image backup it would seem on paper to be equal to
others with the exception of not being able to create a clone or a mirror
backup that will include all of the apps and the OS. What am I missing here?
LB
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LJB


"peter" wrote:

> Here is one reason.....you back up all of your personal work using XP backup
> and then you upgrade to W7...........and lo and behold it uses a different
> backup
> program and all your work just sits on the backup medium inaccessible.
>
> peter
>
> --
> If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate
> or disruptive,please ignore it.
> If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
> to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-)
>
>
> "LewB" <whoislew(a)hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:E5CE3927-D282-4BD5-BDA1-5FC62607A40D(a)microsoft.com...
> >
> > Since I have been trying to sort out backup apps I have been reading
> > through the prior postings and came across this one you authored last
> > year.
> > Why do you not support the backup that comes with XP? Doesn't it do full,
> > incremental, and differential backups?? It seems to me the only thing it
> > does not do that Acronis does is clone to a new HD and/or do a mirror
> > backup
> > to an external disc. Can you expand on your statement?
> > LJB
> > --
> > LJB
> >
> >
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:29:01 -0800, Don
> >> <Don(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > XP Backup is great except for the time required to select the folders
> >> > to BU.
> >> > Is there a way that I can save this list of folders to be backed up and
> >> > eliminate having to select them each time I want to backup?
> >>
> >>
> >> You replied to a *very* old message of mine.
> >>
> >> Personally I think that the backup program which comes with XP is
> >> about the poorest choice available, and I recommend against it. The
> >> best backup program is Acronis TrueImage.
> >>
> >> Windows Home Server's beta is over and it's now released. As Doug said
> >> in his message quoted below, is a great way to get backups performed
> >> automatically, and I recommend it highly if you are willing to spend
> >> the money for an extra computer as well as the software.
> >>
> >>
> >> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi Ken,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> You might also want to add a comment about Windows Home Server,
> >> > > >> just
> >> > > >> in case the user has a spare PC laying around. The beta is now
> >> > > >> open
> >> > > >> for the general public to apply.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> http://connect.microsoft.com/windowshomeserver
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks, Doug. I was planning on adding something about WHS to my
> >> > > > standard backup message, but I'm reluctant to do it yet. Even if
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > beta is open to the public, I'm hesitant to recommend beta
> >> > > > software.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Replying to my own post, I'd also like to wait until I have a little
> >> > > more
> >> > > experience with WHS myself. Coming soon.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> >> > > Please reply to the newsgroup
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >>
From: Daave on 29 May 2010 23:10
You seem to be equating backing up data with backing up the entire
system.

Full and incremental images are *far* superior to full and incremental
data backups!

Don't get me wrong; data backups have their place! But if you image the
entire hard drive, not only have you backed up all your data but you
have just made things immensely better for yourself in the event you
need to recover from some disaster (malware or a disastrous update or
corruption due to a power spike or some other reason). Restoring the
image is easy and once this is done, your system is just as it once
was -- before the disaster struck. If all you did was back up data, you
would need to reinstall the OS, the drivers, the service packs and
subsequent security patches, applications and customize your settings,
etc. This would take many hours of effort. Restoring an image can be
done ovenight without any input from you.

Out of cuiriosity, what backup method do you prefer and use?


LewB wrote:
> I wasn't aware of this debacle....you are indicating that Window7
> will not accept a backup made with the WinXP backup apps. Hard to
> believe. But sticking to XP only why does Ken downgrade the backup
> program that
> comes with it? As mentioned it seems to provide the standard variety
> of backup choices, full, incremental, differential, etc.......so
> except for the absence of creating an image backup it would seem on
> paper to be equal to others with the exception of not being able to
> create a clone or a mirror backup that will include all of the apps
> and the OS. What am I missing here? LB
>
>> Here is one reason.....you back up all of your personal work using
>> XP backup and then you upgrade to W7...........and lo and behold it
>> uses a different backup
>> program and all your work just sits on the backup medium
>> inaccessible.
>>
>> peter
>>
>> --
>> If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate
>> or disruptive,please ignore it.
>> If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
>> to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-)
>>
>>
>> "LewB" <whoislew(a)hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:E5CE3927-D282-4BD5-BDA1-5FC62607A40D(a)microsoft.com...
>>>
>>> Since I have been trying to sort out backup apps I have been reading
>>> through the prior postings and came across this one you authored
>>> last year.
>>> Why do you not support the backup that comes with XP? Doesn't it
>>> do full, incremental, and differential backups?? It seems to me
>>> the only thing it does not do that Acronis does is clone to a new
>>> HD and/or do a mirror backup
>>> to an external disc. Can you expand on your statement?
>>> LJB
>>> --
>>> LJB
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:29:01 -0800, Don
>>>> <Don(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> XP Backup is great except for the time required to select the
>>>>> folders to BU.
>>>>> Is there a way that I can save this list of folders to be backed
>>>>> up and eliminate having to select them each time I want to backup?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You replied to a *very* old message of mine.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think that the backup program which comes with XP is
>>>> about the poorest choice available, and I recommend against it. The
>>>> best backup program is Acronis TrueImage.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Home Server's beta is over and it's now released. As Doug
>>>> said in his message quoted below, is a great way to get backups
>>>> performed automatically, and I recommend it highly if you are
>>>> willing to spend the money for an extra computer as well as the
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug Knox - [MS-MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You might also want to add a comment about Windows Home Server,
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> in case the user has a spare PC laying around. The beta is now
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> for the general public to apply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://connect.microsoft.com/windowshomeserver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Doug. I was planning on adding something about WHS to my
>>>>>>> standard backup message, but I'm reluctant to do it yet. Even if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> beta is open to the public, I'm hesitant to recommend beta
>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Replying to my own post, I'd also like to wait until I have a
>>>>>> little more
>>>>>> experience with WHS myself. Coming soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>>>>>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup


From: JD on 29 May 2010 23:15
LewB wrote:
> I wasn't aware of this debacle....you are indicating that Window7 will not
> accept a backup made with the WinXP backup apps. Hard to believe.
> But sticking to XP only why does Ken downgrade the backup program that
> comes with it? As mentioned it seems to provide the standard variety of
> backup choices, full, incremental, differential, etc.......so except for the
> absence of creating an image backup it would seem on paper to be equal to
> others with the exception of not being able to create a clone or a mirror
> backup that will include all of the apps and the OS. What am I missing here?
> LB

Hard to believe? XP bu is not compatible with W7? Try a Google search.

It seems like you want to use the XP bu so go for it. If it suites your
purpose then nobody will be able to convince you otherwise.

I prefer Acronis True Image Home to do my backups.

http://www.acronis.com/

Take a look at it and you decide what is best for you.

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