How connect PC Embedded to MDB (Vending Machine)
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From: juanma.freelance on 29 Sep 2008 11:07 On 29 sep, 16:33, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <1da3a443-e530-487a-8cb7-e4166e206414 > @i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, juanma.pal...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 11:11, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > On 29 sep, 03:32, "PhilW" <p...(a)microcoin.com> wrote: > > > > > <juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:c4d5b1b0-ea81-446b-ba2a-4f7ebe2811c3(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I'm sorry but I am not English and I speack English very bad. > > > > > > My question is: How connect a PC Embedded to Vending Machine? I know > > > > > that exist a protocol MDB that is used by vending machine, but this > > > > > conector is different to pc conector (RS232, USB, i2c, etc). Can I > > > > > connect a PC Embedded by MDB? How? > > > > > > Anybody understand me? > > > > > > Thanks you! > > > > > We understand you. > > > > > Read the spec to understand what is required to connect. > > > > > However, even once you have done the hardware to be able to connect to a > > > > PC's RS232 port you will, more than likely run into the problem of the 9bit > > > > char format not being supported on a std PC serial port. > > > > > You can fudge it using the mark/space parity control but it is not very > > > > nice. > > > > > Why don't you use ccTalk instead?www.cctalk.org > > > > > regards > > > > PhilW > > > > Thanks you. > > > > I dont understand all, what is "ccTalk"?? > > > > regards. > > > Juanma.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > I read a little about spec of "ccTalk", and this is other protocol, > > no? > > > I need "to talk" with a vending machine. The standard of vending > > machine is the MDB (i think). > > > Are you understand me? > > > Thanks you. > > regards. > > Here is a USB to MDB bridge :http://www.geocities.com/bonusdata/analyzer/mdb_interface/mdb_interface. > htm > (sorry for the spanning) > > Here is the protocol :http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf > > www.vending.orgis where you need to go for any info about MDC/ICP- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - Thanks you!! I know this all, but the "USB to MDB" is not a good solution for me, should be others solutions... I am interesting in ccTal PhilW but i dont understand how apply this to the vending machine. Thanks you. regards.
From: James Beck on 29 Sep 2008 11:56 In article <3834d44e-355e-4d5f-af57-87e9ec4c0a97 @z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freelance(a)gmail.com says... > On 29 sep, 16:33, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > In article <1da3a443-e530-487a-8cb7-e4166e206414 > > @i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, juanma.pal...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 11:11, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On 29 sep, 03:32, "PhilW" <p...(a)microcoin.com> wrote: > > > > > > > <juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:c4d5b1b0-ea81-446b-ba2a-4f7ebe2811c3(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I am not English and I speack English very bad. > > > > > > > > My question is: How connect a PC Embedded to Vending Machine? I know > > > > > > that exist a protocol MDB that is used by vending machine, but this > > > > > > conector is different to pc conector (RS232, USB, i2c, etc). Can I > > > > > > connect a PC Embedded by MDB? How? > > > > > > > > Anybody understand me? > > > > > > > > Thanks you! > > > > > > > We understand you. > > > > > > > Read the spec to understand what is required to connect. > > > > > > > However, even once you have done the hardware to be able to connect to a > > > > > PC's RS232 port you will, more than likely run into the problem of the 9bit > > > > > char format not being supported on a std PC serial port. > > > > > > > You can fudge it using the mark/space parity control but it is not very > > > > > nice. > > > > > > > Why don't you use ccTalk instead?www.cctalk.org > > > > > > > regards > > > > > PhilW > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > > I dont understand all, what is "ccTalk"?? > > > > > > regards. > > > > Juanma.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > I read a little about spec of "ccTalk", and this is other protocol, > > > no? > > > > > I need "to talk" with a vending machine. The standard of vending > > > machine is the MDB (i think). > > > > > Are you understand me? > > > > > Thanks you. > > > regards. > > > > Here is a USB to MDB bridge :http://www.geocities.com/bonusdata/analyzer/mdb_interface/mdb_interface. > > htm > > (sorry for the spanning) > > > > Here is the protocol :http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf > > > > www.vending.orgis where you need to go for any info about MDC/ICP- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > Thanks you!! > > I know this all, but the "USB to MDB" is not a good solution for me, > should be others solutions... > > I am interesting in ccTal PhilW but i dont understand how apply this > to the vending machine. If the vending machine does not speak CCTalk then there is no way to apply it at all, in this case. MDB/ICP is the way you will have to go. CCTalk was designed more along the lines of gaming systems and MDB was designed for vending machines and the like. Not that you couldn't use CCTalk in a vending machine, but MDB was standardized for use in them (vending machines) long ago.
From: juanma.freelance on 29 Sep 2008 13:35 On 29 sep, 17:56, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <3834d44e-355e-4d5f-af57-87e9ec4c0a97 > @z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 16:33, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <1da3a443-e530-487a-8cb7-e4166e206414 > > > @i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, juanma.pal...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > On 29 sep, 11:11, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On 29 sep, 03:32, "PhilW" <p...(a)microcoin.com> wrote: > > > > > > > <juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:c4d5b1b0-ea81-446b-ba2a-4f7ebe2811c3(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I am not English and I speack English very bad. > > > > > > > > My question is: How connect a PC Embedded to Vending Machine? I know > > > > > > > that exist a protocol MDB that is used by vending machine, but this > > > > > > > conector is different to pc conector (RS232, USB, i2c, etc). Can I > > > > > > > connect a PC Embedded by MDB? How? > > > > > > > > Anybody understand me? > > > > > > > > Thanks you! > > > > > > > We understand you. > > > > > > > Read the spec to understand what is required to connect. > > > > > > > However, even once you have done the hardware to be able to connect to a > > > > > > PC's RS232 port you will, more than likely run into the problem of the 9bit > > > > > > char format not being supported on a std PC serial port. > > > > > > > You can fudge it using the mark/space parity control but it is not very > > > > > > nice. > > > > > > > Why don't you use ccTalk instead?www.cctalk.org > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > PhilW > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > > I dont understand all, what is "ccTalk"?? > > > > > > regards. > > > > > Juanma.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > I read a little about spec of "ccTalk", and this is other protocol, > > > > no? > > > > > I need "to talk" with a vending machine. The standard of vending > > > > machine is the MDB (i think). > > > > > Are you understand me? > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > regards. > > > > Here is a USB to MDB bridge :http://www.geocities.com/bonusdata/analyzer/mdb_interface/mdb_interface. > > > htm > > > (sorry for the spanning) > > > > Here is the protocol :http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf > > > >www.vending.orgiswhere you need to go for any info about MDC/ICP- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > Thanks you!! > > > I know this all, but the "USB to MDB" is not a good solution for me, > > should be others solutions... > > > I am interesting in ccTal PhilW but i dont understand how apply this > > to the vending machine. > > If the vending machine does not speak CCTalk then there is no way to > apply it at all, in this case. MDB/ICP is the way you will have to go. > CCTalk was designed more along the lines of gaming systems and MDB was > designed for vending machines and the like. Not that you couldn't use > CCTalk in a vending machine, but MDB was standardized for use in them > (vending machines) long ago.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - Oh James Beck, i think that you have reason. My problem is how comunicate the pc embedded with vending machine with the protocol MDB... If the unique solution the "MDB --> USB adapter"? If you sum the price that a pcembedded+adapter ... for one for machine is very expensive no? it must of having another solution, no? Thanks you! regards.
From: James Beck on 29 Sep 2008 14:29 In article <29c16500-d3a1-4d46-a7d4- 59492ef13bfc(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freelance(a)gmail.com says... > On 29 sep, 17:56, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > In article <3834d44e-355e-4d5f-af57-87e9ec4c0a97 > > @z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 16:33, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > In article <1da3a443-e530-487a-8cb7-e4166e206414 > > > > @i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, juanma.pal...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 11:11, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On 29 sep, 03:32, "PhilW" <p...(a)microcoin.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > <juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:c4d5b1b0-ea81-446b-ba2a-4f7ebe2811c3(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I am not English and I speack English very bad. > > > > > > > > > > My question is: How connect a PC Embedded to Vending Machine? I know > > > > > > > > that exist a protocol MDB that is used by vending machine, but this > > > > > > > > conector is different to pc conector (RS232, USB, i2c, etc).. Can I > > > > > > > > connect a PC Embedded by MDB? How? > > > > > > > > > > Anybody understand me? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks you! > > > > > > > > > We understand you. > > > > > > > > > Read the spec to understand what is required to connect. > > > > > > > > > However, even once you have done the hardware to be able to connect to a > > > > > > > PC's RS232 port you will, more than likely run into the problem of the 9bit > > > > > > > char format not being supported on a std PC serial port. > > > > > > > > > You can fudge it using the mark/space parity control but it is not very > > > > > > > nice. > > > > > > > > > Why don't you use ccTalk instead?www.cctalk.org > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > PhilW > > > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > > > > I dont understand all, what is "ccTalk"?? > > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > Juanma.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > > I read a little about spec of "ccTalk", and this is other protocol, > > > > > no? > > > > > > > I need "to talk" with a vending machine. The standard of vending > > > > > machine is the MDB (i think). > > > > > > > Are you understand me? > > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > regards. > > > > > > Here is a USB to MDB bridge :http://www.geocities.com/bonusdata/analyzer/mdb_interface/mdb_interface. > > > > htm > > > > (sorry for the spanning) > > > > > > Here is the protocol :http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf > > > > > >www.vending.orgiswhere you need to go for any info about MDC/ICP- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > Thanks you!! > > > > > I know this all, but the "USB to MDB" is not a good solution for me, > > > should be others solutions... > > > > > I am interesting in ccTal PhilW but i dont understand how apply this > > > to the vending machine. > > > > If the vending machine does not speak CCTalk then there is no way to > > apply it at all, in this case. MDB/ICP is the way you will have to go. > > CCTalk was designed more along the lines of gaming systems and MDB was > > designed for vending machines and the like. Not that you couldn't use > > CCTalk in a vending machine, but MDB was standardized for use in them > > (vending machines) long ago.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > Oh James Beck, i think that you have reason. > > My problem is how comunicate the pc embedded with vending machine with > the protocol MDB... If the unique solution the "MDB --> USB adapter"? > If you sum the price that a pcembedded+adapter ... for one for machine > is very expensive no? it must of having another solution, no? > > Thanks you! > regards. > Well, if you doing a one off machine, there will never be any economy of scale. If I were doing a single machine/test station, I wouldn't balk at paying the price for the adapter. If I were doing thousands of them I would look at doing something more task specific and cheaper. You can implement the protocol yourself with some kind of adapter for the PC and a communications library, but that would be what the specification is for.
From: juanma.freelance on 29 Sep 2008 15:46
On 29 sep, 20:29, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <29c16500-d3a1-4d46-a7d4- > 59492ef13...(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com > says... > > > > > On 29 sep, 17:56, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <3834d44e-355e-4d5f-af57-87e9ec4c0a97 > > > @z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > On 29 sep, 16:33, James Beck <j...(a)reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <1da3a443-e530-487a-8cb7-e4166e206414 > > > > > @i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, juanma.pal...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 11:11, juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 29 sep, 03:32, "PhilW" <p...(a)microcoin.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > <juanma.freela...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:c4d5b1b0-ea81-446b-ba2a-4f7ebe2811c3(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I am not English and I speack English very bad. > > > > > > > > > > My question is: How connect a PC Embedded to Vending Machine? I know > > > > > > > > > that exist a protocol MDB that is used by vending machine, but this > > > > > > > > > conector is different to pc conector (RS232, USB, i2c, etc). Can I > > > > > > > > > connect a PC Embedded by MDB? How? > > > > > > > > > > Anybody understand me? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks you! > > > > > > > > > We understand you. > > > > > > > > > Read the spec to understand what is required to connect. > > > > > > > > > However, even once you have done the hardware to be able to connect to a > > > > > > > > PC's RS232 port you will, more than likely run into the problem of the 9bit > > > > > > > > char format not being supported on a std PC serial port. > > > > > > > > > You can fudge it using the mark/space parity control but it is not very > > > > > > > > nice. > > > > > > > > > Why don't you use ccTalk instead?www.cctalk.org > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > PhilW > > > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > > > > I dont understand all, what is "ccTalk"?? > > > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > > Juanma.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > > > I read a little about spec of "ccTalk", and this is other protocol, > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > I need "to talk" with a vending machine. The standard of vending > > > > > > machine is the MDB (i think). > > > > > > > Are you understand me? > > > > > > > Thanks you. > > > > > > regards. > > > > > > Here is a USB to MDB bridge :http://www.geocities.com/bonusdata/analyzer/mdb_interface/mdb_interface. > > > > > htm > > > > > (sorry for the spanning) > > > > > > Here is the protocol :http://www.vending.org/technical/MDB_3.0.pdf > > > > > >www.vending.orgiswhereyou need to go for any info about MDC/ICP- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > > > Thanks you!! > > > > > I know this all, but the "USB to MDB" is not a good solution for me, > > > > should be others solutions... > > > > > I am interesting in ccTal PhilW but i dont understand how apply this > > > > to the vending machine. > > > > If the vending machine does not speak CCTalk then there is no way to > > > apply it at all, in this case. MDB/ICP is the way you will have to go. > > > CCTalk was designed more along the lines of gaming systems and MDB was > > > designed for vending machines and the like. Not that you couldn't use > > > CCTalk in a vending machine, but MDB was standardized for use in them > > > (vending machines) long ago.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - > > > Oh James Beck, i think that you have reason. > > > My problem is how comunicate the pc embedded with vending machine with > > the protocol MDB... If the unique solution the "MDB --> USB adapter"? > > If you sum the price that a pcembedded+adapter ... for one for machine > > is very expensive no? it must of having another solution, no? > > > Thanks you! > > regards. > > Well, if you doing a one off machine, there will never be any economy of > scale. If I were doing a single machine/test station, I wouldn't balk > at paying the price for the adapter. If I were doing thousands of them > I would look at doing something more task specific and cheaper. You can > implement the protocol yourself with some kind of adapter for the PC and > a communications library, but that would be what the specification is > for.- Ocultar texto de la cita - > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - Oh, I see that you understand me :) I need to create adapter for MDB to any port (serial?) the PC ... it is difficult? I know computer science, but the electronic... :( any idea? Thanks you! regards. |