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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 26 Feb 2010 07:41
On Feb 26, 5:50 am, david <n...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:50:04 -0800, Ant rearranged some electrons to say:
>
>
>
> > Hello.
>
> > My very old Debian/Linux workstation/desktop box (first installed it on
> > 9/24/2004 and kept it updated daily and only had one reinstall
> > (accidently ran fsck without unmounting a few years ago) -- still
> > amazing that it runs today) is unable to install the latest Kernel
> > (v2.6.32) Debian package due to free limited disk space in / (actually
> > /boot) partition:
>
> > $ df
> > Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
> > /dev/hda1               280003    173227     92320  66% / tmpfs        
> >         1297724         0   1297724   0% /lib/init/rw udev              
> >       10240       264      9976   3% /dev tmpfs                  1297724
> >         0   1297724   0% /dev/shm /dev/hda5             14421344  
> > 2759732  10929052  21% /home /dev/hda6              4807056   3620424  
> > 942448  80% /usr /dev/hda7               964500    721228    194276  79%
> > /var /dev/hda8               964500     17676    897828   2% /tmp
> > /dev/hda9              4807056    206076   4356796   5% /usr/local
> > /dev/hda11            47383396  19522168  25454292  44% /extra
> > /dev/hda12              918322     16452    852874   2% /others
>
> > (parted) p
> > Model: ST380011A (ide)
> > Disk /dev/hda: 80.0GB
> > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos
>
> > Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
> >   1      32.3kB  296MB   296MB   primary   ext3 2      296MB   80.0GB
> >   79.7GB  extended 5      296MB   15.3GB  15.0GB  logical   ext3 6    
> >   15.3GB  20.3GB  5001MB  logical   ext3 7      20.3GB  21.3GB  1003MB
> >   logical   ext3 8      21.3GB  22.3GB  1003MB  logical   ext3 9    
> >   22.3GB  27.3GB  5001MB  logical   ext3
> > 12      27.3GB  28.3GB  1003MB  logical   ext3 10      28.3GB  30.7GB
> > 2418MB  logical   linux-swap(v1) 11      30.7GB  80.0GB  49.3GB  logical
> >   ext3
>
> >http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6544/screenshot1qs.pngfor a screen
> > capture of GParted.
>
> > How can I resize my /'s /boot to get more free disk space without
> > getting another bigger HDD to copy over or reinstalling from scratch?
> > Can I use KNOPPIX v6.2.1 to do it or is it not possible? I used to use
> > PowerQuest's PartitionMagic for DOS and Windows to resize, but I wasn't
> > sure if this method works in Linux too.
>
> > Thank you in advnace. :)
>
> You don't have a separate /boot partition.  You created it in root, it
> looks like.  (You shouldn't have done that).
>
> You could create a separate partition for other stuff you have in root, /
> lib for example) and move stuff out of root.

It's not uncommon. The old "/boot" partition requirement for the the
boot loader to be in the first partition, and that first partition to
be no more than 1024 cylinders (or 8 Gig on a modern drive), and the
segmentation of old, small drives assembled in a stack led to this
common practice to be considered mandatory by many.. But with modern
boot loaders, it's not really necessary.

Segmenting off potentially large and overflowing directories, like /
var/spool/, or /var/www, can protect your basic OS partitions from
being overloaded. But the need for separate /usr, /var, /home, /opt, /
usr/local/, etc. has evaporated with modern hard drives and drive
merging technologies such as RAID and LVM.
From: Harold Stevens on 26 Feb 2010 07:43
In <op.u8p5xlhqa3w0dxdave(a)hodgins.homeip.net> David W. Hodgins:

[Snip...]

> You're forgetting about the modules installed in /lib/modules/...,
> which will add another 39MB.

FWIW...

A few weeks ago, I did a routine kernel upgrade on a Ubuntu 8.04 system. I
was surprised this kernel upgrade needed an additional 130+MB of diskspace
rather than the usual 25MB or so.

Dunno what the extra space was for, and haven't time to chase it down.

Here's the uname for that kernel:

2.6.24-27-generic #1 SMP Wed Jan 27 23:54:28 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

Release info:

DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"

HTH; YMMV...

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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 26 Feb 2010 07:45
On Feb 26, 6:13 am, Sven Joachim <svenj...(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> On 2010-02-26 11:50 +0100, david wrote:
>
> > You don't have a separate /boot partition.  You created it in root, it
> > looks like.  (You shouldn't have done that).
>
> Could you elaborate?  True, a separate /boot partition would save some
> space on /, but not that much.
>
> > You could create a separate partition for other stuff you have in root, /
> > lib for example) and move stuff out of root.
>
> Great idea indeed, have you actually tried that?!  Please stop giving
> clueless advice that would render the system unbootable if followed.
>
> Sven

Historically, /usr and /var used to be separate partitions in the
early days of UNIX and Linux. For some operating systems, even "/bin"
was not on /: the critical components to boot from tape were stashed
in /etc, and were part of a rather odd bootstrapping procedure to
install an OS.

Not that I recommend oversegmenting, especially because moving aside
kernel modules in /lib can be an *adventure*.
From: GangGreene on 26 Feb 2010 11:27
Sven Joachim wrote:

> On 2010-02-26 11:50 +0100, david wrote:
>
>> You don't have a separate /boot partition. You created it in root, it
>> looks like. (You shouldn't have done that).
>
> Could you elaborate? True, a separate /boot partition would save some
> space on /, but not that much.
>

Yes encrypted root filesystems

>> You could create a separate partition for other stuff you have in root, /
>> lib for example) and move stuff out of root.
>
> Great idea indeed, have you actually tried that?! Please stop giving
> clueless advice that would render the system unbootable if followed.
>
> Sven

Yes works well

disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000001

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 9561 76798701 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 9562 9624 506047+ fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sda3 9625 9687 506047+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/sda4 9688 60801 410573205 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 9688 10904 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sda6 10905 12121 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sda7 12122 60801 391022068+ fd Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x056c056c

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 * 1 9561 76798701 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdb2 9562 9624 506047+ fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb3 9625 9687 506047+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/sdb4 9688 60801 410573205 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 9688 10904 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb6 10905 12121 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb7 12122 60801 391022068+ fd Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x056c056d

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdc1 * 1 9561 76798701 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdc2 9562 9624 506047+ fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdc3 9625 9687 506047+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/sdc4 9688 60801 410573205 5 Extended
/dev/sdc5 9688 10904 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdc6 10905 12121 9775521 fd Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdc7 12122 60801 391022068+ fd Linux raid
autodetect
scrat(a)slack-x86:~$

The boot partition is /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 RAID 1


From: ANTant on 3 Mar 2010 11:22
Woohoo/W00t! I managed to install Kernel v2.6.32 barely on my old Debian box:

# apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
linux-doc-2.6.32
The following NEW packages will be installed:
linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 127 not upgraded.
Need to get 26.3MB of archives.
After this operation, 76.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 2.6.32-5 [26.3MB]
Fetched 26.1MB in 35s (731kB/s)
Reading package fields... Done
Reading package status... Done
Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686.
(Reading database ... 158155 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 (from .../linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686_2.6.32-5_i386.deb) ...
Setting up linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5) ...
Running depmod.
Running update-initramfs.
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686
Running update-grub.
Generating grub.cfg ...
Found background image: moreblue-orbit-grub.png
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-686
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-686
done
Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d.
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.32-trunk-686 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3 2-trunk-686
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/gnome/help: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/omf: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML: 0 KiB

Total disk space freed by localepurge: 0 KiB


$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 280003 240465 25082 91% /
....

I probably won't be able to install 2.6.33 even if I were to uninstall
2.6.30. :P When that happens or whjen my hardware fails or whatever,
then I will do a clean install from scratch and do my partitions
correctly. Thank you to all who replied. :)
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