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From: Dr J R Stockton on 6 May 2010 13:26 In comp.lang.javascript message <6FRqqdExrX4LFwBK(a)J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD0 8924D9443D28E23ED5CD>, Wed, 5 May 2010 15:04:33, John G Harris <john(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> posted: >As for being non-standard, you will find that the motive for producing >ISO 8601:2004 was to facilitate the sending of dates across national >boundaries. Also, to facilitate the sending of dates between computers. >It does not concern itself with letters sent to your Aunty Lily in >Australia, nor with letters sent by customers to shop keepers. The utility of a standard format is not limited to the original motives for creating it. That standard is not computer-specific (except for presuming that a computer is needed to read the PDF). The standard form is beneficial in weak contexts, where it is readily recognisable as a probable date. Consider dates on tinned food, where day-of-month may be omitted and there is usually a reference number of arbitrary form nearby. If a recovering American wrote in March to complain that he got food poisoning on 2/4/10 at your jellied eel stand, you'd not get away with rejecting the claim that your shop will be closed then because it will be Good Friday. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk DOS 3.3 6.20 ; WinXP. Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links. PAS EXE TXT ZIP via <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/00index.htm> My DOS <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/batfiles.htm> - also batprogs.htm.
From: David Stone on 7 May 2010 10:56 In article <X2ckrRMvBv4LFwHn(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>, Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html message <no.email-D4049A.09204005 > 052010(a)news1.chem.utoronto.ca>, Wed, 5 May 2010 09:20:41, David Stone > <no.email(a)domain.invalid> posted: > >In article <Fs+ANRLkjE4LFw1J(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>, > > Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >[snip] > > >Around here, > > Those who write "around here" without giving in the body of the message > a reasonably clear indication of approximately where "here" is are > likely to be assumed to be, or treated as, Americans. That's what headers are for, although you'd still come to a wrong conclusion about me personally... I can only think of one country where people would be _so_ punctilious about avoiding confusion over what first and last name implies for people of different ethnic origins, and it isn't America! However, my point _wasn't_ to talk about the specifics of being "here" or "there", but to offer up a reasonable, real-world tested alternative to the problem (which is, of course, now snipped out of the discussion). Hopefully, that at least was helpful! > > For the limited number of those of the second > >case, I believe they would normally give their names for personal > >use as Elizabeth Windsor, etc. > > My understanding is that, while possible, that id rarely done, at least > in the case of E II R. That depends on whether we're talking about royalty acting in their official capacity, or privately. My point was, that it is extremely likely E II R would be filling out a web form in her _official_ capacity! > >> And those whose date of birth does not match their birthday? > > > >The only living example I can think of has two "birthdays", the > >real one and the officially celebrated one, so no real conflict. > >Of course, you still have a sizeable number who don't know what > >their real date of birth is... > > You have forgotten her Consort, born in 1921. Never celebrated his birthday, either officially or unofficially!
From: Josiah Jenkins on 7 May 2010 20:52
On Fri, 07 May 2010 10:56:52 -0400, David Stone <no.email(a)domain.invalid> wrote: >In article <X2ckrRMvBv4LFwHn(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>, > Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html message <no.email-D4049A.09204005 >> 052010(a)news1.chem.utoronto.ca>, Wed, 5 May 2010 09:20:41, David Stone >> <no.email(a)domain.invalid> posted: >> >In article <Fs+ANRLkjE4LFw1J(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>, >> > Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >[snip] >> >> >Around here, >> >> Those who write "around here" without giving in the body of the message >> a reasonably clear indication of approximately where "here" is are >> likely to be assumed to be, or treated as, Americans. > >That's what headers are for, although you'd still come to a wrong >conclusion about me personally... I can only think of one country >where people would be _so_ punctilious about avoiding confusion over >what first and last name implies for people of different ethnic >origins, and it isn't America! However, my point _wasn't_ to talk >about the specifics of being "here" or "there", but to offer up a >reasonable, real-world tested alternative to the problem (which is, >of course, now snipped out of the discussion). Hopefully, that at >least was helpful! > >> > For the limited number of those of the second >> >case, I believe they would normally give their names for personal >> >use as Elizabeth Windsor, etc. >> >> My understanding is that, while possible, that id rarely done, at least >> in the case of E II R. > >That depends on whether we're talking about royalty acting in their >official capacity, or privately. My point was, that it is extremely >likely E II R would be filling out a web form in her _official_ >capacity! If she did, she'd probably sign as Elizabeth R. > >> >> And those whose date of birth does not match their birthday? >> > >> >The only living example I can think of has two "birthdays", the >> >real one and the officially celebrated one, so no real conflict. >> >Of course, you still have a sizeable number who don't know what >> >their real date of birth is... >> >> You have forgotten her Consort, born in 1921. > >Never celebrated his birthday, either officially or unofficially! -- http://www.ian-stewart.eu |