From: Dr J R Stockton on
In comp.lang.javascript message <6FRqqdExrX4LFwBK(a)J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD0
8924D9443D28E23ED5CD>, Wed, 5 May 2010 15:04:33, John G Harris
<john(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> posted:

>As for being non-standard, you will find that the motive for producing
>ISO 8601:2004 was to facilitate the sending of dates across national
>boundaries. Also, to facilitate the sending of dates between computers.
>It does not concern itself with letters sent to your Aunty Lily in
>Australia, nor with letters sent by customers to shop keepers.


The utility of a standard format is not limited to the original motives
for creating it. That standard is not computer-specific (except for
presuming that a computer is needed to read the PDF).

The standard form is beneficial in weak contexts, where it is readily
recognisable as a probable date. Consider dates on tinned food, where
day-of-month may be omitted and there is usually a reference number of
arbitrary form nearby.

If a recovering American wrote in March to complain that he got food
poisoning on 2/4/10 at your jellied eel stand, you'd not get away with
rejecting the claim that your shop will be closed then because it will
be Good Friday.

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From: David Stone on
In article <X2ckrRMvBv4LFwHn(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html message <no.email-D4049A.09204005
> 052010(a)news1.chem.utoronto.ca>, Wed, 5 May 2010 09:20:41, David Stone
> <no.email(a)domain.invalid> posted:
> >In article <Fs+ANRLkjE4LFw1J(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
> > Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >[snip]
>
> >Around here,
>
> Those who write "around here" without giving in the body of the message
> a reasonably clear indication of approximately where "here" is are
> likely to be assumed to be, or treated as, Americans.

That's what headers are for, although you'd still come to a wrong
conclusion about me personally... I can only think of one country
where people would be _so_ punctilious about avoiding confusion over
what first and last name implies for people of different ethnic
origins, and it isn't America! However, my point _wasn't_ to talk
about the specifics of being "here" or "there", but to offer up a
reasonable, real-world tested alternative to the problem (which is,
of course, now snipped out of the discussion). Hopefully, that at
least was helpful!

> > For the limited number of those of the second
> >case, I believe they would normally give their names for personal
> >use as Elizabeth Windsor, etc.
>
> My understanding is that, while possible, that id rarely done, at least
> in the case of E II R.

That depends on whether we're talking about royalty acting in their
official capacity, or privately. My point was, that it is extremely
likely E II R would be filling out a web form in her _official_
capacity!

> >> And those whose date of birth does not match their birthday?
> >
> >The only living example I can think of has two "birthdays", the
> >real one and the officially celebrated one, so no real conflict.
> >Of course, you still have a sizeable number who don't know what
> >their real date of birth is...
>
> You have forgotten her Consort, born in 1921.

Never celebrated his birthday, either officially or unofficially!
From: Josiah Jenkins on
On Fri, 07 May 2010 10:56:52 -0400, David Stone
<no.email(a)domain.invalid> wrote:

>In article <X2ckrRMvBv4LFwHn(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
> Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html message <no.email-D4049A.09204005
>> 052010(a)news1.chem.utoronto.ca>, Wed, 5 May 2010 09:20:41, David Stone
>> <no.email(a)domain.invalid> posted:
>> >In article <Fs+ANRLkjE4LFw1J(a)invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
>> > Dr J R Stockton <reply1018(a)merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >[snip]
>>
>> >Around here,
>>
>> Those who write "around here" without giving in the body of the message
>> a reasonably clear indication of approximately where "here" is are
>> likely to be assumed to be, or treated as, Americans.
>
>That's what headers are for, although you'd still come to a wrong
>conclusion about me personally... I can only think of one country
>where people would be _so_ punctilious about avoiding confusion over
>what first and last name implies for people of different ethnic
>origins, and it isn't America! However, my point _wasn't_ to talk
>about the specifics of being "here" or "there", but to offer up a
>reasonable, real-world tested alternative to the problem (which is,
>of course, now snipped out of the discussion). Hopefully, that at
>least was helpful!
>
>> > For the limited number of those of the second
>> >case, I believe they would normally give their names for personal
>> >use as Elizabeth Windsor, etc.
>>
>> My understanding is that, while possible, that id rarely done, at least
>> in the case of E II R.
>
>That depends on whether we're talking about royalty acting in their
>official capacity, or privately. My point was, that it is extremely
>likely E II R would be filling out a web form in her _official_
>capacity!

If she did, she'd probably sign as Elizabeth R.
>
>> >> And those whose date of birth does not match their birthday?
>> >
>> >The only living example I can think of has two "birthdays", the
>> >real one and the officially celebrated one, so no real conflict.
>> >Of course, you still have a sizeable number who don't know what
>> >their real date of birth is...
>>
>> You have forgotten her Consort, born in 1921.
>
>Never celebrated his birthday, either officially or unofficially!
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