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From: Ed Mullen on 25 Jan 2010 21:08
Mason C wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:48:52 -0500, Bill Braun<me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Please give it some thought. I find your design off-putting
>> (and to remake my point, that may be your intention). The
>> site is a mess.
>>
> In what way is it a "mess" other than the text overflow you
> observe?
>
>
>> You have table cells with strong visual
>> definitions and text that flows out of them into other
>> cells. It is simply difficult to read text that falls across
>> the borders of the cells.
>>
> As I told dorayme, I cannot duplicate the text overflow
> problem except by using FireFox text zoom or setting my
> Opera to an unnecessary 24pt minimum font.
What you are doing is assuming that YOUR visual acuity is the norm.
It's not. Suppose I really want to read your content? but my eyesight
is such that I NEED to have a large font on my screen. Why do you want
to do things that preclude one of your "fans" from reading and enjoying
your site? Design to a standard of adaptability. That will take care
of every criticism and accommodate every visitor.
> Neither should
> be encountered by users -- they can use regular zoom if needed.
>
>
Stop assuming what I (or any other visitor) wants to do. You can't
possibly know. Accommodate ALL visitors by allowing your site to
gracefully degrade using standard browser tools (text zoom, page zoom,
minimum font size, etc.).
> Please tell my the circumstances in which you find the
> text overflow so I can observe it and do something about it.
>
> What is your browser and settings?
>
>> Here are some color resources that may be helpful.
>>
> Color is a matter of taste and the designers's goal.
>
No it isn't. How about color for a color-blind visitor? Or one who
isn't color-blind but is contrast visually impaired? These things are
relatively easy to accommodate in design.
> Dorayme wouldn't like designer colors.

What the hell are "designer colors?"
> I don't like the
> New York Times gray-on-gray. You don't like bronze on black.
>
> Me, I hope viewers hate my colors and quickly link off of it.
>
>
Not to worry about that.
> masonc
>
> my spell checker doesn't like "color" and insists on "colour"
>

So what?

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
Does your train of thought have a caboose?

From: Bill Braun on 26 Jan 2010 08:32
Mason C wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:48:52 -0500, Bill Braun <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>> You have table cells with strong visual
>> definitions and text that flows out of them into other
>> cells. It is simply difficult to read text that falls across
>> the borders of the cells.
>
> As I told dorayme, I cannot duplicate the text overflow
> problem except by using FireFox text zoom or setting my
> Opera to an unnecessary 24pt minimum font. Neither should
> be encountered by users -- they can use regular zoom if needed.
>
> Please tell my the circumstances in which you find the
> text overflow so I can observe it and do something about it.

My settings on FF 3.5.7 are (Options > Content > Fonts)

Fonts for: Western
Proportional: Serif Size: 16
Serif: Georgia
Sans-serif: Arial
Monospace: Courier New Size: 16
Minimum Font Size: 10

[X] Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my
selections above
(In other words, checkmarked, meaning "yes"; your font
selection can override my preferences)

Default Character Encoding: Western (ISO-8859-1)

- o -

View > Zoom: Reset (Ctrl + 0)
Zoom Text Only UNCHECKED

I think, but am not certain, that these are the default
settings out of the box. If not, let me know and I'll retest
using the default settings.

Related question Mason: If you desire people to have a good
reading experience at your site, does it make sense to
design it to be as functional as possible with all [major]
browsers? That doesn't mean that every browser will display
it exactly the same, but it does mean that no browser will
mangle the site.

Bill B
From: Bill Braun on 26 Jan 2010 08:36
Mason C wrote:
> As I told dorayme, I cannot duplicate the text overflow
> problem except by using FireFox text zoom or setting my
> Opera to an unnecessary 24pt minimum font. Neither should
> be encountered by users -- they can use regular zoom if needed.


Users will choose the settings that they choose. While they
may seem odd to some, they likely make perfect sense to
them. Sight-impaired comes to mind.

So, if that is what they choose, despite our best advice to
the contrary <g>, what reading experience do you want them
to have?

Bill B
From: Bill Braun on 26 Jan 2010 08:40
Mason C wrote:
> mason and you did like the colors, huh?

Asking if someone likes the colors is a bit like asking for
advise on one's resume. Opinions abound.

For your target audience, what colors would be inviting to
them? That's what counts, Mason. Colors project feelings and
moods. Dark colors can project a dark mood. If that is
desirable, then leave the colors alone. If not, consider a
change.

Bill B

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