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From: GreenXenon on 19 May 2010 19:23 On May 19, 3:41 pm, Robert Haar <bobh...(a)me.com> wrote: > On 5/19/10 3:00 PM, "GreenXenon" <glucege...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi: > > > My secure dream laptop has following characteristics: > > > 1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless > > adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs > > "offed" ? When it is killed, what matters anymore? "Offed" as in the power is turned off. Dynamic IDs provide greater anonymity than static IDs. In this hypothetical laptop when power is cut, these IDs are permanently and completely lost such that even the most advanced theoretical technology cannot recover them. > > 5. The OS is Macintosh and is installed on ROM chips > > What happens when Apple releases a bug fix for a security problem? DO you > have to wait for physical distribution of a new set of ROM chips through > trusted channels? On a comp without NVRAM there is actually less security concerns than that with NVRAM. You do have a point, but I feel my dream laptop would be more secure because any malware that enters the laptop by any method -- such as the internet -- will completely disappear as soon as I turn off the power. > > > > > 6. Chips of the hypothetical RAM listed in #3 substitute for the HDD > > So you have no long term storage on the laptop? No data? Or do you burn a > new CD every time one byte changes in a data file? Depending on the data I either forget about it or store it on the internet. This laptop is meant for extreme security and secrecy. I want an easy way to totally and permanently eliminate the data in RAM so that is why I don't want an HDD or any non-volatile RAM for that matter. > > > 11. There is no malware [e.g. rootkits] installed in any of the ROM > > chips. > > How do you know? I don't. I just wish for it to be that way. That's why I call it's a "dream" laptop. > Even if you could get one at a reasonable price, I don't think you would > really like using it. I know I wouldn't. Why not? One of the purposes of this hypothetical laptop is to be as anonymous on the net as possible while still being on the net. Other purposes
From: BillW50 on 19 May 2010 19:36 In news:449f7bad-cae7-4334-9e06-4700cfb6d3fd(a)a27g2000prj.googlegroups.com, GreenXenon typed on Wed, 19 May 2010 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT): > You do have a point, but I feel my dream laptop would be more secure > because any malware that enters the laptop by any method -- such as > the internet -- will completely disappear as soon as I turn off the > power. That is the way my computers with Microsoft EWF works. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
From: Jochem Huhmann on 19 May 2010 19:47 GreenXenon <glucegen1x(a)gmail.com> writes: > On May 19, 1:25 pm, Jochem Huhmann <j...(a)gmx.net> wrote: > >> The usual market mechanisms which spit out laptops do not work this way >> (and they're all very much the same these days). If you would care to >> build and sell such a laptop you'd find you could not sell these things >> for the money needed to build them and your company would go bankrupt in >> no time at all. > > Why would this hypothetical laptop be so expensive? Because it would have several unique features and these things are as cheap as they are because they're basically all the same inside (apart from different cases and stickers). You'd need to get a unique design fabricated and this is expensive. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
From: Robert Haar on 19 May 2010 20:41 On 5/19/10 7:23 PM, "GreenXenon" <glucegen1x(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 19, 3:41�pm, Robert Haar <bobh...(a)me.com> wrote: > > >> On 5/19/10 3:00 PM, "GreenXenon" <glucege...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi: >> >>> My secure dream laptop has following characteristics: >> >>> 1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless >>> adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs >> > > >> "offed" ? �When it is killed, what matters anymore? > > "Offed" as in the power is turned off. Hmmm .. Must be a local idiom. Why not just say turned off? > >>> 5. The OS is Macintosh and is installed on ROM chips > >> What happens when Apple releases a bug fix for a security problem? DO you >> have to wait for physical distribution of a new set of ROM chips through >> trusted channels? > > On a comp without NVRAM there is actually less security concerns than > that with NVRAM. I don't agree. The concerns are different. You reduce one but put all your faith in network storage, which increases other risks. > > You do have a point, but I feel my dream laptop would be more secure > because any malware that enters the laptop by any method -- such as > the internet -- will completely disappear as soon as I turn off the > power. It sounds like you think malware is the only security risk. Before going further, you need to do a thorough study of computer security. >>> 6. Chips of the hypothetical RAM listed in #3 substitute for the HDD >> So you have no long term storage on the laptop? No data? Or do you burn a >> new CD every time one byte changes in a data file? > > > Depending on the data I either forget about it or store it on the > internet. What about the security risks of using network storage? > This laptop is meant for extreme security and secrecy. I > want an easy way to totally and permanently eliminate the data in RAM > so that is why I don't want an HDD or any non-volatile RAM for that > matter. People who are professionally paranoid about computer security don't allow Internet connects and no removable media. Everything is is a physically secured room, preferably a Faraday cage with no windows and independent power. > > >> Even if you could get one at a reasonable price, I don't think you would >> really like using it. I know I wouldn't. > > > Why not? How do you use it when an Internet connection is unavailable? Or when the place where you store your data is off line? Even if you have a network connection, access to you data is slower than on local storage.
From: BillW50 on 19 May 2010 20:58
In news:C819FD8B.4962D4%bobhaar(a)me.com, Robert Haar typed on Wed, 19 May 2010 20:41:47 -0400: > People who are professionally paranoid about computer security don't > allow Internet connects and no removable media. Everything is is a > physically secured room, preferably a Faraday cage with no windows > and independent power. I have been running Windows on a number of machines since 1993. I never had a virus yet. There are sharks in the ocean too, I saw one of them once. And I was alone scuba diving (which is something you should never do they say). And he saw me and I saw him and he split really fast away from me. So I guess I should be more scared of sharks, eh? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3 |