From: Seebs on
On 2010-04-29, Nomen Nescio <nobody(a)dizum.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind that the person calling himself Jennifer is actually a

.... You already told us. You haven't yet said why we should care.

> Advice on the Internet from a homeless crossdresser LMAO !

If my choices were to listen to you, or to a homeless crossdresser, I'd
probably go with the crossdresser. At least I'd have a *chance* of getting
useful information.

-s
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From: Jennifer Usher on


"Patrick Scheible" <kkt(a)zipcon.net> wrote in message
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> True, but in part that happens because a computer science degree just
> means the student has finished the coursework. For law, they need to
> pass the bar exam as well. For medicine, they need to complete their
> residency as well.

This is true. Granted, unlike law school, in medical school one learns
largely by doing. It has been said that law school only teaches one to
think like a lawyer, not how to actually practice law.

> Also at least in some schools the computer science coursework is
> mostly theory -- automata theory, computational complexity, etc. - and
> deliberately does not teach programming technique. Of course, it
> would be difficult to teach techniques for writing and managing large
> programs in a one-semester course.

A good school requires students to complete at least one large project that
is hopefully comparable to what they will do in the real world. But that is
relatively rare. And it is unheard of in the numerous community colleges
that turn out people with two year degrees.

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Jennifer Usher

From: Jennifer Usher on


"Patrick Scheible" <kkt(a)zipcon.net> wrote in message
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> Sure. But there's a tremendous amount of art to programming that is
> not provable, just good practice.

I think that is what draws many of us to the field.

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Jennifer Usher

From: Jennifer Usher on


"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo(a)eircom.net> wrote in message
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> I like this - they also get to experience the joys of working with
> other people's code that they haven't got the time to completely rewrite
> so
> they have to learn to read and understand it.

Not a fun lesson to learn. I have waded through some very poorly written
code written by people who clearly had no idea what they were doing. It can
be especially bad when the person who wrote the code was clearly learning as
he went and was trying out stuff just to see what it would do.

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Jennifer Usher

From: Phil Carmody on
"Jennifer Usher" <jennisuzan(a)gmail.com> writes:
> "Patrick Scheible" <kkt(a)zipcon.net> wrote:
>
>> True, but in part that happens because a computer science degree just
>> means the student has finished the coursework. For law, they need to
>> pass the bar exam as well. For medicine, they need to complete their
>> residency as well.
>
> This is true. Granted, unlike law school, in medical school one
> learns largely by doing. It has been said that law school only
> teaches one to think like a lawyer, not how to actually practice law.
>
>> Also at least in some schools the computer science coursework is
>> mostly theory -- automata theory, computational complexity, etc. - and
>> deliberately does not teach programming technique. Of course, it
>> would be difficult to teach techniques for writing and managing large
>> programs in a one-semester course.
>
> A good school requires students to complete at least one large project
> that is hopefully comparable to what they will do in the real world.
> But that is relatively rare. And it is unheard of in the numerous
> community colleges that turn out people with two year degrees.

The best use of CS students working in industry as part of their
degree is to guarantee that a maintenance programmer can be kept
in a job for years removing all the crud they put in.

Phil, with negative kloc's at every review - those were the days.
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