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From: Rod Speed on 16 Jul 2010 14:31
John Stafford wrote:
> In article <i1ok791s32(a)news2.newsguy.com>,
> Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:25:00 -0500, John Stafford wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <c535c1d7-c47a-4f44-a4fb-5e85dc7d1dcb(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Immortalist <reanimater_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>> Why do people trust economics as much as physics when it is based
>>>> upon such weak research methods comparatively.
>>>
>>> Do people really believe economics is a science? I do not. Nor does
>>> anyone I know (and I work in academe).
>>
>> If those in academe think economics is not a science then it is small
>> wonder we are producing such poor economists.
>
> Show me how economics is a science.

It does at least attempt to consider the evidence for the most basic stuff like
whether Keynesian deficit spending does work in some circumstances etc.

Its a lot harder to do than with say newtonian physics tho.


From: Ron Peterson on 16 Jul 2010 19:44
On Jul 16, 6:00 am, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.ten> wrote:

> Show me how economics is a science.

Economists construct models of society that deals with trade,
production, labor, and services. This would be considered an
hypothesis.

The hypothesis can be tested against recruited subjects or
observations of society.

--
Ron
From: Arindam Banerjee on 18 Jul 2010 04:57
On Jul 18, 2:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:49:23 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 5:00 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:43:54 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > On Jul 16, 1:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:25:00 -0500, John Stafford wrote:
> >> >> > In article
> >> >> > <c535c1d7-c47a-4f44-
>
> a4fb-5e85dc7d1...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> >  Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >> Why do people trust economics as much as physics when it is based
> >> >> >> upon such weak research methods comparatively.
>
> >> >> > Do people really believe economics is a science? I do not. Nor
> >> >> > does anyone I know (and I work in academe).
>
> >> >> If those in academe think economics is not a science then it is
> >> >> small wonder we are producing such poor economists.
>
> >> >> > If someone wants a laugh, look to the title Political Science!
>
> >> >> Political economy is about rules of order that produce the most
> >> >> prosperous middle class.  That is a social science.
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution"
> >> >> --http://GreaterVoice.org/60
>
> >> > Economics is 10% dogma, 10% fraud and 80% politics, all wrapped up in
> >> > murky maths geared to provide "scientific" results of the payer's
> >> > choosing.  Its most reputable relation is astrology, less reputable
> >> > ones include voodoo (Bush called Reagonomics voodoo economics, was he
> >> > right?).
>
> >> First principles:
>
> >> 1.  Man seeks to satisfy his needs and desires with as little
> >> discomfort to himself as possible.
>
> > Doesn't explain lots of things for lots of men (and women), but correct
> > for the dull majority.  Hoewever the majority amounts to maintaining the
> > status quo, the minority takes things front or back.
>
> >> 2.  There really aren't in other first principles.
>
> > So look at it much more carefully, for it is wrong.
>
> I've looked at it for a very long time.  And it is the fundamental
> proposition of all _real_ economics.  There are other things that matter
> to people.  But those things have nothing to do with economics.

Define economics, then.
From: Arindam Banerjee on 18 Jul 2010 22:56
On Jul 19, 8:50 am, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:57:44 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Jul 18, 2:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:49:23 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > On Jul 16, 5:00 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:43:54 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> > On Jul 16, 1:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:25:00 -0500, John Stafford wrote:
> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> > <c535c1d7-c47a-4f44-
>
> >> a4fb-5e85dc7d1...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> >> >> >  Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >> >> Why do people trust economics as much as physics when it is
> >> >> >> >> based upon such weak research methods comparatively.
>
> >> >> >> > Do people really believe economics is a science? I do not. Nor
> >> >> >> > does anyone I know (and I work in academe).
>
> >> >> >> If those in academe think economics is not a science then it is
> >> >> >> small wonder we are producing such poor economists.
>
> >> >> >> > If someone wants a laugh, look to the title Political Science!
>
> >> >> >> Political economy is about rules of order that produce the most
> >> >> >> prosperous middle class.  That is a social science.
>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution"
> >> >> >> --http://GreaterVoice.org/60
>
> >> >> > Economics is 10% dogma, 10% fraud and 80% politics, all wrapped up
> >> >> > in murky maths geared to provide "scientific" results of the
> >> >> > payer's choosing.  Its most reputable relation is astrology, less
> >> >> > reputable ones include voodoo (Bush called Reagonomics voodoo
> >> >> > economics, was he right?).
>
> >> >> First principles:
>
> >> >> 1.  Man seeks to satisfy his needs and desires with as little
> >> >> discomfort to himself as possible.
>
> >> > Doesn't explain lots of things for lots of men (and women), but
> >> > correct for the dull majority.  Hoewever the majority amounts to
> >> > maintaining the status quo, the minority takes things front or back.
>
> >> >> 2.  There really aren't in other first principles.
>
> >> > So look at it much more carefully, for it is wrong.
>
> >> I've looked at it for a very long time.  And it is the fundamental
> >> proposition of all _real_ economics.  There are other things that
> >> matter to people.  But those things have nothing to do with economics.
>
> > Define economics, then.
>
> The formulation of societal rules that maximize material well being.

Since for me, economics means whatever it takes to determine the price
of a saleable commodity, we cannot argue any more.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
>
> --
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From: Arindam Banerjee on 18 Jul 2010 23:28
On Jul 19, 1:30 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:56:53 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 8:50 am, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:57:44 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > On Jul 18, 2:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:49:23 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> > On Jul 16, 5:00 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:43:54 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Jul 16, 1:38 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:25:00 -0500, John Stafford wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> > <c535c1d7-c47a-4f44-
>
> >> >> a4fb-5e85dc7d1...(a)p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> >> >> >> >  Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >> >> >> Why do people trust economics as much as physics when it is
> >> >> >> >> >> based upon such weak research methods comparatively.
>
> >> >> >> >> > Do people really believe economics is a science? I do not.
> >> >> >> >> > Nor does anyone I know (and I work in academe).
>
> >> >> >> >> If those in academe think economics is not a science then it
> >> >> >> >> is small wonder we are producing such poor economists.
>
> >> >> >> >> > If someone wants a laugh, look to the title Political
> >> >> >> >> > Science!
>
> >> >> >> >> Political economy is about rules of order that produce the
> >> >> >> >> most prosperous middle class.  That is a social science.
>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution"
> >> >> >> >> --http://GreaterVoice.org/60
>
> >> >> >> > Economics is 10% dogma, 10% fraud and 80% politics, all wrapped
> >> >> >> > up in murky maths geared to provide "scientific" results of the
> >> >> >> > payer's choosing.  Its most reputable relation is astrology,
> >> >> >> > less reputable ones include voodoo (Bush called Reagonomics
> >> >> >> > voodoo economics, was he right?).
>
> >> >> >> First principles:
>
> >> >> >> 1.  Man seeks to satisfy his needs and desires with as little
> >> >> >> discomfort to himself as possible.
>
> >> >> > Doesn't explain lots of things for lots of men (and women), but
> >> >> > correct for the dull majority.  Hoewever the majority amounts to
> >> >> > maintaining the status quo, the minority takes things front or
> >> >> > back.
>
> >> >> >> 2.  There really aren't in other first principles.
>
> >> >> > So look at it much more carefully, for it is wrong.
>
> >> >> I've looked at it for a very long time.  And it is the fundamental
> >> >> proposition of all _real_ economics.  There are other things that
> >> >> matter to people.  But those things have nothing to do with
> >> >> economics.
>
> >> > Define economics, then.
>
> >> The formulation of societal rules that maximize material well being.
>
> > Since for me, economics means whatever it takes to determine the price
> > of a saleable commodity, we cannot argue any more.
>
> \
> I was never "arguing".  It is what it is.

Of course. Just that we cannot agree on what it is.
>
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