From: dlzc on
Dear Sam Wormley:

On Apr 11, 5:59 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/10 7:47 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 9:39 pm, dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net>  wrote:
> >> On Apr 8, 9:20 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:24 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> On 4/8/10 7:09 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>>> Tell us what's within the barycenter called "The
> >>>>> Great Attractor"?
>
> >>>>     Slight concentration of galactic cluster mass...
> >>>> it happens.
>
> >>> invisible galactic cluster mass?
>
> >> We've discovered entire galaxies that are close,
> >> but were invisible simply because they had few
> >> hot stars.  We've found the missing normal
> >> matter in intergalactic space, as ionized hydrogen
> >> and oxygen atoms. Dark Matter.  The things we
> >> cannot see appear to be legion...
>
> > Sounds good.  So what is the new all-inclusive
> > mass of our universe?
>
> The WMAP data give the most precise values for the
> density of ordinary [baryonic] matter made of protons
> and neutrons: 0.4 yoctograms per cubic meter, and
> for the total of dark and baryonic matter:
> 2.5 yoctograms per cubic meter. These correspond
> to omega_b = 0.0224 +/- 0.0009 and omega_m
> = 0.135 +/- 0.009.

Was that at the time of the CMBR, or assuming a size of Universe
"today"?

David A. Smith
From: Brad Guth on
On Apr 11, 5:59 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/10 7:47 PM, BradGuthwrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 9:39 pm, dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net>  wrote:
> >> Dear BRadGuth:
>
> >> On Apr 8, 9:20 pm, BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:24 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> On 4/8/10 7:09 PM, BradGuthwrote:
> >> ...
> >>>>> Tell us what's within the barycenter called "The
> >>>>> Great Attractor"?
>
> >>>>     Slight concentration of galactic clustermass...
> >>>> it happens.
>
> >>> invisible galactic clustermass?
>
> >> We've discovered entire galaxies that are close, but were invisible
> >> simply because they had few hot stars.  We've found the missing normal
> >> matter in intergalactic space, as ionized hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
> >> Dark Matter.  The things we cannot see appear to be legion...
>
> >> David A. Smith
>
> > Sounds good.  So what is the new all-inclusivemassof ouruniverse?
>
> >   ~ BG
>
> The WMAP data give the most precise values for the density of ordinary
> [baryonic] matter made of protons and neutrons: 0.4 yoctograms per cubic
> meter, and for the total of dark and baryonic matter: 2.5 yoctograms per
> cubic meter. These correspond to omega_b = 0.0224 +/- 0.0009 and omega_m
> = 0.135 +/- 0.009.

Thanks, however that's not very much mass unless it excludes black and
white holes of matter/antimatter or them Plancks as minimal wavelength
photons, whereas by some accounts, such Plancks as quantum particles
are supposedly massive enough to be quantum black holes, as
considerably more dense than any electron or positron.

So, how far off is the 1.6e60 kg and 1e84 atom mark for that estimate
or swag representing the mass of our universe?

~ BG