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From: Mr.Jan on 11 Feb 2010 08:17 On Feb 10, 8:35 pm, Notan <notan(a)addressthatcanbespammed> wrote: > On 2/10/2010 9:52 AM, Tim Conway wrote: > > > > > > > "Han" <nob...(a)nospam.not> wrote in message > >news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... > >> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote in > >>news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: > > >>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: > >>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the desktop > >>>> >version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought Mint.com but > >>>> >where did yo see that they were going to abandon the desktop > >>>> >version? > > >>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was > >>>> posted > >>> to the > >>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager discussed > >>>> his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to migrate those > >>>> users to > >>> Mint. > > >>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop > >>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or something.. > >>> Thanks for pointing me to it. > > >> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on > >> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all my > >> data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On the other > >> hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to keep on a home > >> machine, much of what I do is downloading from internet sources anyway.. > >> Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in the cloud should be OK. But I > >> still like to see (at least previously entered) data without the > >> necessity of an internet connection. > > > While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live > > with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the > > internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's almost > > seamless. > > The same technology that makes data access seamless to you, frequently > makes the same data (i.e. your data) access seamless to others. I think the idea is to vote with your dollars. Quicken is looking at this process as a business model. To say they don't care about their customers is true only that if they could get us to donate money without sending a product they would do it. So would your local barber or baker. I have never read of anyone breaking Quicken's encryption or hacking into Quicken to steal personal financial information. By hacking, I don't mean finding your password on a post it note. I think Quicken provides a very secure platform with excellent functionality. I started doing my personal accounting in a spreadsheet (Lotus!) and would go back to it if I thought Quicken was any more of a threat than the bank's or brokerage firms themselves. One thing I like about MINT.COM is that it will notify you if there is a large transaction. Most of what I use Quicken for today is to make sure nobody is playing with my accounts.
From: Mikel Sunova on 11 Feb 2010 11:31 "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ed85ec8b-9d7b-4a28-b67b-83bcb7152c03(a)h12g2000yql.googlegroups.com... On Feb 10, 8:35 pm, Notan <notan(a)addressthatcanbespammed> wrote: > On 2/10/2010 9:52 AM, Tim Conway wrote: > > > > > > > "Han" <nob...(a)nospam.not> wrote in message > >news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... > >> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote in > >>news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: > > >>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: > >>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the desktop > >>>> >version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought Mint.com but > >>>> >where did yo see that they were going to abandon the desktop > >>>> >version? > > >>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was > >>>> posted > >>> to the > >>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager discussed > >>>> his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to migrate those > >>>> users to > >>> Mint. > > >>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop > >>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or something. > >>> Thanks for pointing me to it. > > >> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on > >> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all my > >> data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On the > >> other > >> hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to keep on a home > >> machine, much of what I do is downloading from internet sources anyway. > >> Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in the cloud should be OK. But I > >> still like to see (at least previously entered) data without the > >> necessity of an internet connection. > > > While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live > > with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the > > internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's almost > > seamless. > > The same technology that makes data access seamless to you, frequently > makes the same data (i.e. your data) access seamless to others. ________________________________________ I think the idea is to vote with your dollars. Quicken is looking at this process as a business model. To say they don't care about their customers is true only that if they could get us to donate money without sending a product they would do it. So would your local barber or baker. I have never read of anyone breaking Quicken's encryption or hacking into Quicken to steal personal financial information. By hacking, I don't mean finding your password on a post it note. I think Quicken provides a very secure platform with excellent functionality. I started doing my personal accounting in a spreadsheet (Lotus!) and would go back to it if I thought Quicken was any more of a threat than the bank's or brokerage firms themselves. One thing I like about MINT.COM is that it will notify you if there is a large transaction. Most of what I use Quicken for today is to make sure nobody is playing with my accounts. ________________________________________ Large transaction notification is available with the CC companies. I assume it is also available with banks, although I've not checked into that. Mikel
From: Mr.Jan on 12 Feb 2010 08:25 On Feb 11, 10:35 am, Notan <notan(a)addressthatcanbespammed> wrote: > On 2/11/2010 6:17 AM, Mr.Jan wrote: > > > > > On Feb 10, 8:35 pm, Notan<notan(a)addressthatcanbespammed> wrote: > >> On 2/10/2010 9:52 AM, Tim Conway wrote: > > >>> "Han"<nob...(a)nospam.not> wrote in message > >>>news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... > >>>> "Mr.Jan"<jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote in > >>>>news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: > > >>>>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville<d...(a)bother.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "Mr.Jan"<jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the desktop > >>>>>>> version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought Mint.com but > >>>>>>> where did yo see that they were going to abandon the desktop > >>>>>>> version? > > >>>>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was > >>>>>> posted > >>>>> to the > >>>>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager discussed > >>>>>> his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to migrate those > >>>>>> users to > >>>>> Mint. > > >>>>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop > >>>>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or something. > >>>>> Thanks for pointing me to it. > > >>>> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on > >>>> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all my > >>>> data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On the other > >>>> hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to keep on a home > >>>> machine, much of what I do is downloading from internet sources anyway. > >>>> Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in the cloud should be OK. But I > >>>> still like to see (at least previously entered) data without the > >>>> necessity of an internet connection. > > >>> While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live > >>> with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the > >>> internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's almost > >>> seamless. > > >> The same technology that makes data access seamless to you, frequently > >> makes the same data (i.e. your data) access seamless to others. > > > I think the idea is to vote with your dollars. Quicken is looking at > > this process as a business model. To say they don't care about their > > customers is true only that if they could get us to donate money > > without sending a product they would do it. So would your local > > barber or baker. I have never read of anyone breaking Quicken's > > encryption or hacking into Quicken to steal personal financial > > information. By hacking, I don't mean finding your password on a post > > it note. > > > I think Quicken provides a very secure platform with excellent > > functionality. I started doing my personal accounting in a spreadsheet > > (Lotus!) and would go back to it if I thought Quicken was any more of > > a threat than the bank's or brokerage firms themselves. One thing I > > like about MINT.COM is that it will notify you if there is a large > > transaction. Most of what I use Quicken for today is to make sure > > nobody is playing with my accounts. > > I, too, use Quicken for a "quick check" overview of my finances. > > What bothers me is the idea of keeping ALL my statements, and the > associated access data, in one, online location. Currently, if one > of my FIs gets hacked (knock one wood, it hasn't happened yet), I > only have to deal with that one. Can you imagine the nightmare of > having ALL your FIs getting hacked at the same time! > > Then again, maybe there'd be no more of a threat than there is now. Most hacking happens when they get your personal information and then call up and have the passwords changed. You know, the really secure stuff like your mother's maiden name and the last four digits of your social security number. With that, I can get into any account you have. Usually without an account number. Try calling up your bank's helpdesk and asking them to reset your password. Remember when Sarah Palin had her email account hacked? They were able to reset her password by filling in answers to questions that are common knowledge about any politician. I checked all my accounts after that and found out I could reset my brokerage online if I knew the street where I grew up and the high school I attended. You can bet I made some fast changes to THAT arrangement.
From: XS11E on 12 Feb 2010 13:42 "John Pollard" <8plus7isf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The more important question is: what is the reason people believe > no such *better* product exists. The reason I believe no such better product exists is because I have spent quite a few years trying competing products and have not yet found one but.... the search continues. > In a free market system - such as that for personal financial > software - those who believe a better product can be produced; > must put up, or shut up. They also have to sell it to become viable. That means creating a better (at least in some areas) product and then getting Quicken users to switch as I suspect current Quicken users are a VERY large percent of the existing personal finance software market. I don't doubt some genius has massaged Excel or some other spreadsheet program to create a better personal finance program (at least for him/her/it) but has no idea how to make it commercial and even if he/she/it did, has no resources for doing so. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
From: CSM1 on 12 Feb 2010 15:24 XS11E <xs11eNO(a)SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns9D1D77093B256xs11eyahoocom(a)127.0.0.1: > "John Pollard" <8plus7isf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The more important question is: what is the reason people believe >> no such *better* product exists. > > The reason I believe no such better product exists is because I have > spent quite a few years trying competing products and have not yet > found one but.... the search continues. > >> In a free market system - such as that for personal financial >> software - those who believe a better product can be produced; >> must put up, or shut up. > > They also have to sell it to become viable. That means creating a > better (at least in some areas) product and then getting Quicken users > to switch as I suspect current Quicken users are a VERY large percent > of the existing personal finance software market. > > I don't doubt some genius has massaged Excel or some other spreadsheet > program to create a better personal finance program (at least for > him/her/it) but has no idea how to make it commercial and even if > he/she/it did, has no resources for doing so. > > > http://www.peachtree.com/ The above product has been around for years. I have not used it. And I have not I tried it. I have known of the existance of Peachtree for a long time. As far as I know, it is geared for business, rather than personal finances. CSM1 http://www.carlmcmillan.com
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