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From: Jonathan Schattke on 11 Apr 2010 10:54 On 4/10/2010 7:02 PM, Jesse F. Hughes wrote: > Jonathan Schattke<wizwom(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> On 4/10/2010 5:50 PM, Bill Snyder wrote: >>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:33:25 -0500, Jonathan Schattke >>> <wizwom(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/7/2010 10:27 PM, Transfer Principle wrote: >>>>> Those posters who >>>>> believe in a smallest real number, such as AP and MR, may be >>>>> included with the "discrete mathematicians" as well. >>>> >>>> For any proposed smallest real, I can come up with a smaller number ;-) >>> >>> >>> Then I pick "The real number that's smaller than any you can ever >>> come up with." Better yet, I pick the largest such number. This >>> is why kooks so often prefer text to math. >> >> It actually points to the failure of "constructivist" mathematicians >> over "platonic" ones - the refusal to accept the trichotomy theorem and >> infinity leads to strange results. Such as saying there is a concrete >> minimum real. >> > > How's that? Do constructivists really believe there is a concrete > minimum real? No, a real mathematician, even a constructivist, realizes you can never construct the great or least anything. But it leads to kooks misunderstanding things, and making stupid claims.
From: Jesse F. Hughes on 11 Apr 2010 19:04 Jonathan Schattke <wizwom(a)gmail.com> writes: > On 4/10/2010 7:02 PM, Jesse F. Hughes wrote: >> Jonathan Schattke<wizwom(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On 4/10/2010 5:50 PM, Bill Snyder wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:33:25 -0500, Jonathan Schattke >>>> <wizwom(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/7/2010 10:27 PM, Transfer Principle wrote: >>>>>> Those posters who >>>>>> believe in a smallest real number, such as AP and MR, may be >>>>>> included with the "discrete mathematicians" as well. >>>>> >>>>> For any proposed smallest real, I can come up with a smaller number ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Then I pick "The real number that's smaller than any you can ever >>>> come up with." Better yet, I pick the largest such number. This >>>> is why kooks so often prefer text to math. >>> >>> It actually points to the failure of "constructivist" mathematicians >>> over "platonic" ones - the refusal to accept the trichotomy theorem and >>> infinity leads to strange results. Such as saying there is a concrete >>> minimum real. >>> >> >> How's that? Do constructivists really believe there is a concrete >> minimum real? > > No, a real mathematician, even a constructivist, realizes you can never > construct the great or least anything. Er, yeah. That clears it up then. > But it leads to kooks misunderstanding things, and making stupid > claims. Yeah, I hate it when people make stupid claims. -- Jesse F. Hughes "Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn." -- From the cover of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science"
From: Aatu Koskensilta on 11 Apr 2010 19:20 "Jesse F. Hughes" <jesse(a)phiwumbda.org> writes: > Yeah, I hate it when people make stupid claims. No you don't. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi) "Wovon man nicht sprechan kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
From: Jesse F. Hughes on 11 Apr 2010 20:14 Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi> writes: > "Jesse F. Hughes" <jesse(a)phiwumbda.org> writes: > >> Yeah, I hate it when people make stupid claims. > > No you don't. Well, you found me out. -- "That's one of the more fascinating things about my research: simple methods, mostly elementary, succinct and, if I do say so my self, well-written expositions, but no normal human can follow at all, and even the best mathematical minds get lost quickly." -- James S Harris
From: Bill Snyder on 11 Apr 2010 20:39
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:14:35 -0400, "Jesse F. Hughes" <jesse(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote: >Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi> writes: > >> "Jesse F. Hughes" <jesse(a)phiwumbda.org> writes: >> >>> Yeah, I hate it when people make stupid claims. >> >> No you don't. > >Well, you found me out. Gee, to be found out so easily, it must have been, well, err, a pretty stupid claim. -- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank] |