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From: MarkHaniford on 8 Dec 2009 13:24 On Dec 8, 10:37 am, Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavall...(a)pas.espam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> wrote: > On 2009-12-08 10:56:20 -0500, "MarkHanif...(a)gmail.com" > <markhanif...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > See, there was this > > thing called NAZI and guess what one of the words in there is - > > socialism. > > And these NAZIs also told death camp victims that they were just going > to take a shower when they gassed them. So believing what NAZIs say > about their intentions has historically proven to be a rather dangerous. > > For the extremely slow: just because the NAZIs claimed they were > socialists doesn't mean they were actually socialists, just like their > claim they wouldn't invade the Soviet Union was false, etc., etc. > > NAZIs have always been considered far right because of their belief > that there is a natural hierarchy and the elite (i.e., "Aryans") should > rule, and that so-called "inferior races" should have their > civil-rights curtailed or be killed outright. > > The motto of the original left was "Liberty, equality, brotherhood" > (i.e., "Liberté, egalité, fraternité"), not something you would ever > hear the NAZI party advocate, and certainly not how their treated > people under their rule. > > The core belief of the right is that hierarchy is the natural order, > and the underclass should have few or no civil rights. The core belief > of the left is egalitarianism with equal civil rights for all. The > NAZIs were *not* egalitarians, so they could never be considered > leftists. > > -- > Raffael Cavallaro Historical facts don't stand in the way of extremely slow europeans like Raffael. Raffael and other brain dead leftists will conjure up "core beliefs of the right", but will gleefully ignore facts like Mussolini was a hard leftist, and that fascism is closer to leftist command economies and statist policies than anything on the right. Go ahead and live in ignorance.
From: Raffael Cavallaro on 8 Dec 2009 19:39 On 2009-12-08 13:24:37 -0500, "MarkHaniford(a)gmail.com" <markhaniford(a)gmail.com> said: > Historical facts don't stand in the way of extremely slow europeans > like Raffael. Born and rasied in the USA, just like my parents, and their parents before them. > fascism is closer to leftist > command economies and statist policies than anything on the right. Only someone who doesn't know what leftist means could even begin to think that. Try reading some history before launching your next uninformed screed. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics> For those with actual reading comprehension, the relevant variable here is egalitarianism v. elitism. Extreme leftists (e.g., communists) want the state to intervene in the economy to promote economic equality; extreme rightists (e.g., nazis) want the state to intervene in the economy to promote the interests of the ruling class. -- Raffael Cavallaro
From: MarkHaniford on 8 Dec 2009 20:43 On Dec 8, 6:39 pm, Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavall...(a)pas.espam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> wrote: > On 2009-12-08 13:24:37 -0500, "MarkHanif...(a)gmail.com" > <markhanif...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > Historical facts don't stand in the way of extremely slow europeans > > like Raffael. > > Born and rasied in the USA, just like my parents, and their parents > before them. > > > fascism is closer to leftist > > command economies and statist policies than anything on the right. > > Only someone who doesn't know what leftist means could even begin to > think that. Try reading some history before launching your next > uninformed screed. > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics> e the interests of the ruling class. > Raffael, you're an embarrassment for pointing to wikipedia as "history". Just keep your head in the sand. That's where you leftists like it. You people refuse to deal with history, reality, or anything that compromises your indoctrination. > -- > Raffael Cavallaro
From: Dr. Brian Leverich on 8 Dec 2009 22:14 On 2009-12-09, MarkHaniford(a)gmail.com <markhaniford(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 8, 6:39�pm, Raffael Cavallaro ><raffaelcavall...(a)pas.espam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> wrote: >> On 2009-12-08 13:24:37 -0500, "MarkHanif...(a)gmail.com" >> <markhanif...(a)gmail.com> said: >> >> > Historical facts don't stand in the way of extremely slow europeans >> > like Raffael. >> >> Born and rasied in the USA, just like my parents, and their parents >> before them. >> >> > fascism is closer to leftist >> > command economies and statist policies than anything on the right. >> >> Only someone who doesn't know what leftist means could even begin to >> think that. Try reading some history before launching your next >> uninformed screed. >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics> > e the interests of the ruling class. > > Raffael, you're an embarrassment for pointing to wikipedia as > "history". Just keep your head in the sand. That's where you > leftists like it. You people refuse to deal with history, reality, or > anything that compromises your indoctrination. He pointed at Wikipedia because it's easily accessible. Pretty much every other serious source that covers the material says the same thing. ;) Love, B.
From: Casper H.S. Dik on 9 Dec 2009 04:18
Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro(a)pas.espam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> writes: >For those with actual reading comprehension, the relevant variable here >is egalitarianism v. elitism. Extreme leftists (e.g., communists) want >the state to intervene in the economy to promote economic equality; >extreme rightists (e.g., nazis) want the state to intervene in the >economy to promote the interests of the ruling class. This sounds like a description with a left-bias. There's never been a government which wasn't promiting the interest of the ruling class and its clinging to the power. Only the PR is different. If think you're wrong about the Nazi's though; they too give lipservice to the "volk"; the only think that sets them apart from socialism is the "nationalist". Instead of the "international socialism" the country and the native people were the leading factors of their ideology. As ideologies kill people by the thousands, we're better if we sail clear of them. Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. |