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From: GregS on 26 Mar 2010 13:57
In article <li5pq5dvc99kqi13mkkgvi9dgteq9u63n9(a)4ax.com>, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote:
>I haven't placed an order there for a while but I need some HS drill
>bits and they are the only place that has them so I thought I'd look
>around and man I don't know how they stay in business!!! What is their
>mark-up?
>
>It's pretty bad when the mom and pop place where I get my ferric
>chloride beats Digikey in pricing on everything I compared from
>semi-conductors to PCB blanks. Newark just blows them out of the water
>on 90% of stuff.
>
>I don't spend tens of thousands a year on this stuff but I spend a
>couple grand a year and Digikey isn't getting too much of it after
>looking through their site.

I can't figure what to do with the telephone book. Maybe take
it into the bathroom, not to read !

I can't see it without my DIGIKEY magnifiers.

I usually price with Chips.com. Whatever.

greg
From: GregS on 26 Mar 2010 13:58
In article <hoip2k$i0$1(a)usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo(a)zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
>In article <li5pq5dvc99kqi13mkkgvi9dgteq9u63n9(a)4ax.com>, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com>
> wrote:
>>I haven't placed an order there for a while but I need some HS drill
>>bits and they are the only place that has them so I thought I'd look
>>around and man I don't know how they stay in business!!! What is their
>>mark-up?
>>
>>It's pretty bad when the mom and pop place where I get my ferric
>>chloride beats Digikey in pricing on everything I compared from
>>semi-conductors to PCB blanks. Newark just blows them out of the water
>>on 90% of stuff.
>>
>>I don't spend tens of thousands a year on this stuff but I spend a
>>couple grand a year and Digikey isn't getting too much of it after
>>looking through their site.
>
>I can't figure what to do with the telephone book. Maybe take
>it into the bathroom, not to read !
>
>I can't see it without my DIGIKEY magnifiers.
>
>I usually price with Chips.com. Whatever.

I meant findchips.com



From: miso on 26 Mar 2010 14:36
On Mar 26, 4:12 am, Hammy <s...(a)spam.com> wrote:
> I haven't placed an order there for a while but I need some HS drill
> bits and they are the only place that has them so I thought I'd look
> around and man I don't know how they stay in business!!! What is their
> mark-up?
>
> It's pretty bad when the mom and pop place where I get my ferric
> chloride beats Digikey in pricing on everything I compared from
> semi-conductors to PCB blanks. Newark just blows them out of the water
> on 90% of stuff.
>
> I don't spend tens of thousands a year on this stuff but I spend a
> couple grand a year and Digikey isn't getting too much of it after
> looking through their site.

If your spec-ing a chip and the external components are not available
from Digikey, you think twice about the chip. Any sucker can get a
part from Digikey provided their IQ and body temperature exceed room
temperature.

I can think of many products where I would pay a few hundred percent
mark-up to be able to buy a unit or two. Murata filters are a good
example. Disty want you to buy a few thousand. I end up getting
samples from the rep. However, I'd gladly pay $5 for a 50 cent part
rather than having to buy a few thousand units.
From: Hammy on 26 Mar 2010 20:48
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:20:02 -0500, John Fields
<jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:41:35 -0400, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:08:11 -0500, John Fields
>><jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:00:57 -0400, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well to me cost is the most important and Digikey is highest even in
>>>>production T/R quantities.
>>>
>>>---
>>>I think Digikey's pricing structure shows that they're more oriented
>>>toward low volume production and prototyping than they are to
>>>balls-to-the-wall production like some of the "big guys".
>>>---
>>All the more reason to want more competitive pricing.
>
>---
>For you, maybe, so you could have the convenience of one-source shopping
>for low-volume parts at high-volume prices, but I'm sure their business
>model doesn't include you as a steady source of income.
>---
Only an idiot excludes a segment from their potential market.
Considering they offer incentive for $200 buck they are trying to
include people like me.
>
snip

>Has it ever occurred to you that they may be perfectly happy where they
>are and aren't interested in competing with the Avnets?
>---
For a business to remain happy were there are is ludicrous and a poor
business model, take that mentality to your share holders and tell me
how you make out when the companies stock plummets.

>>I never said they did.
>>You missed my point entirely. I'm beginning to see why the Chinese are
>>taking over more and more of our manufacturing and tech jobs.
>
>---
>What does the cost of labor have to do with it?
>---
There was no mention of the cost of labour; did you see one or another
assumption? It's called a mentality a poor one at that. The Chinese
strive to cut cost in all aspects of business. They don't say oh its
only 10 cents or for that matter $50.00. There's only a 1 cent or less
difference between thick film 1% and 5% resistors yet they still sell
5% resistors by the boat load.


>---
>I've been doing this for about 25 years, and the first place I'll look
>for electronics parts for breadboards/prototypes/first articles is
>Digikey, since saving my client a dollar by searching vendors for an
>hour doesn't make much sense.
>---
Then math basic addition and multiplication should be trivial.

Lets see your paying an extra $50 to $100 or more then necessary per
order, how many orders per month times twelve , times what did you say
25 years? When is the amount non-trivial? Being an engineer would it
not make sense to develop a system and contacts to insure you get the
best price for what you are buying, every dollar you save is a dollar
in your pocket. The time spent would pay for itself before 25 years
well before.

That money could be used for several things like investing in your
business. In other words it's better in your pocket then Somebody's
else.

>>I didn't think an attitude like
>>that would provoke hostility I just assumed its common sense.
>>Everybody most everybody wants value for dollar.
>
>---
>Yeah, and if spent an hour finding out how to save a dollar on a single
>prototype part and charged for that hour, what kind of value would that
>represent to my client?
>---
It takes you an hour to find a part?

>Take a look at their catalog. Mouser's too for that matter; seems
>they've found the same niche.
>
>JF
Dont go there for the same reasons.
From: krw on 26 Mar 2010 23:07
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:15:00 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:

>MooseFET wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 4:12 am, Hammy <s...(a)spam.com> wrote:
>>> I haven't placed an order there for a while but I need some HS drill
>>> bits and they are the only place that has them so I thought I'd look
>>> around and man I don't know how they stay in business!!! What is their
>>> mark-up?
>>
>> Since I know I can find the parts I need on Digikey, I usually don't
>> worry about what they charge. Prototypes cost far more in labor than
>> the parts cost. I give the production folks the makers part numbers
>> for the parts and also the Digikey numbers.
>>
>
>Exactamente. I have yet to find a company on this planet that has a
>search engine as good as Digikey. This is why I always default to them
>as well, and so do my clients in the US. I have the impression that 99%
>plus of the software guys in the database business do not understand how
>to program a proper search engine, only the guys who set up Digikey do.

Yep. Our Arrow rep is constantly trying to get me to use their search engine.
I tell him 1) when you make it as easy as DigiKey and 2) that's what I have
*you* for. I sometimes actually buy from DigiKey but only for small
quantities and emergencies.

>> The reason to give production the Digikey numbers is that it reduces
>> to nearly zero how often I hear "we can't find the part". Some
>> production parts get bought from Digikey just because they happen to
>> be the ones who have them in stock.
>>
>>
>> Digikey also gives a quick path to the maker's data sheets. This
>> makes designing easier. You can check that the part can be obtained
>> while also getting the datasheet.
>
>
>I found their prices to occasionally be higher than for example Mouser
>but not by much. Maybe 10-20% on some parts. But Hammy: It's not
>necessarily the place to buy tools from, that I never did. Digikey is
>for electronic parts.

For production quantities I consistently beat DigiKey by 20-50%. Disties get
special pricing and sometimes disties will cut into that to make a sale. FPGAs
are notorious for pricing by the customer. Never pay the catalog price for
'em.
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