Is there a cut-down version of DW available... OR recommend any alternative?
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From: dergal on 30 May 2007 09:04 On 30 May, 13:38, Andy Dingley <ding...(a)codesmiths.com> wrote: > On 30 May, 11:45, ship <ship...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > One of our staff has already been coding HTML by hand (using a text > > editor) and it's VERY time consuming. > > Then they should code simpler HTML. If the markup is simplified to the > bare semantics of your email, you can boilerplate the beginnings of > the new message, and you've a simple embedded CSS that handles the > rest of the formatting, then this really is (as it should be) a quick > hand-coding exercise. 1. DW doesn't do bad code - it produces code that can be cleaned up / optimised etc.. it does it fast and easily ... I produce bad code, with DWs help! 2. As a cheap / Free alternative to DW I would suggest you actually look at Microsoft - they had a free bit of software that seemed quite good, and able to do a reasonable job ( I forgot the name) not sure its still free, it was during beta at least) 3. Handcoding is something all web developers should learn, as tools (not even DW) struggle with the finesse of streamlining code to look and do exactly what you want (without resorting to layout tables etc... ) 4. Response rates on well presented HTML emails can be substantially higher than in plain text - DEPENDING on what you are selling of course - if its something that an image sells... its more effective. This is based on a few large email sends. Personally, I get about two or three emails from shops I had previoulsy been customers of - and I prefer them in HTML. HTH's Gerry White http://www.FinanceExtra.net
From: ship on 12 Jun 2007 12:39 On May 30, 11:06 am, Andy Dingley <ding...(a)codesmiths.com> wrote: > On 30 May, 10:34, ship <ship...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have potentially two members of staff that I need to get to write > > very simple > > HTML emails for sending to our (quite large) list of customers. > > Then teach them some HTML and have them use a text editor. They'll > also find this to be much quicker to use. No, with all due respect this is b*ll*cks. We already have tought them *some* HTML but the quickest way to learn is to give them a well-behaved WYSIWYG editor like Dreamweaver! It also save a huge amount of time for doing stuff like building tables. Can you suggest any cheap/cut-down alternatives to Dreamweaver? > DW is not only expensive, it writes bad web pages and it writes > terrible HTML emails (mainly because they're so bloated) Not particularly. In any case production speed is more important than purist arguments about compact code. > Good books to read would be "Head First HTML" or Lie & Bos' "Cascading > Style Sheets" Thanks Ship Shiperton Henethe
From: Tom J on 12 Jun 2007 13:40 ship wrote: > On May 30, 11:06 am, Andy Dingley <ding...(a)codesmiths.com> wrote: >> On 30 May, 10:34, ship <ship...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have potentially two members of staff that I need to get to >>> write >>> very simple >>> HTML emails for sending to our (quite large) list of customers. >> >> Then teach them some HTML and have them use a text editor. They'll >> also find this to be much quicker to use. > > No, with all due respect this is b*ll*cks. > We already have tought them *some* HTML but the quickest way to > learn > is to give them a well-behaved WYSIWYG editor like Dreamweaver! > > It also save a huge amount of time for doing stuff like building > tables. > > Can you suggest any cheap/cut-down alternatives to Dreamweaver? http://nvu.com/index.php "Finally! A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver." Based on Mozilla Sea Monkey composer and about as inexpensive as you can get - free. Tom J
From: ship on 5 Jul 2007 05:04 > http://nvu.com/index.php > "Finally! A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as > well as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like > FrontPage and Dreamweaver." > > Based on Mozilla Sea Monkey composer and about as inexpensive as you > can get - free. Yes, but is there anything similar for WindowsXP? What do other companies use for novice users? We love the simple interface that Dreamweaver has, but it's stupidly expensive to use on our novice users who simply need to write some basic email letters in HTML. BUT the only version of Dreamweaver that I can see on www.adobe.com seems to be "Adobe Dreamweaver CS3" which costs a full: £393.62 !! (here in the UK) Surely there is a cheaper, cut-down version ?? Or should we just buy a SECOND HAND, out-of-date version of Dreamweaver (e.g. Dreamweaver MX etc) - e.g. off ebay... - Any thoughts? Ship Shiperton Henethe P.S. In time we may well need and want our novice users to migrate up to a full version of Dreamweaver... but we need something sensibly priced to get them going...
From: Red E. Kilowatt on 5 Jul 2007 18:40
ship <shiphen(a)gmail.com> wrote in message: 1183626249.765146.102940(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com, >> http://nvu.com/index.php >> "Finally! A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as >> well as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like >> FrontPage and Dreamweaver." >> >> Based on Mozilla Sea Monkey composer and about as inexpensive as you >> can get - free. > > Yes, but is there anything similar for WindowsXP? > > What do other companies use for novice users? > > We love the simple interface that Dreamweaver has, but it's stupidly > expensive > to use on our novice users who simply need to write some basic email > letters > in HTML. > > BUT the only version of Dreamweaver that I can see on www.adobe.com > seems to be > "Adobe Dreamweaver CS3" which costs a full: �393.62 !! (here in the > UK) > > Surely there is a cheaper, cut-down version ?? > Or should we just buy a SECOND HAND, out-of-date version of > Dreamweaver > (e.g. Dreamweaver MX etc) - e.g. off ebay... > > - Any thoughts? > > > > Ship > Shiperton Henethe > > P.S. In time we may well need and want our novice users to migrate up > to > a full version of Dreamweaver... but we need something sensibly priced > to get them > going... Do a Google search on "Dreamweaver OEM" I saw this one for $129 http://www.gizmos2go.com/product.php?productid=5435&MMCF Of course this may not be 100% legal according to the Macromedia license agreements for it's OEM products, but as long as the vendor guarantees that Macromedia will accept the product registration, then I see no problem with buying it. -- Red |