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From: Ed Crowley [MVP] on 22 Feb 2010 11:21 Did you read my answer? -- Ed Crowley MVP "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." .. "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8A16F06E-9C87-4EAE-A621-6ABB749CC19B(a)microsoft.com... > Ed, thank you. > > Sorry. I mean internal messages When users inside organization send to > other users inside organization. > > unfortunately, we can not set limit due to bussiness requirement. users > at > our company treat our mail server as our file server and send large files > (more than 500MB) to other users INSIDE organization. Also, we are not > allowed to put limit on > mails we send or receive externally. > > Is there a way to put limit on mails when users INSIDE company send to > other > users inside company? But, no limit on mails send to or receive from > external company (not our company)??? > > Thank you. > > "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote: > >> What do you mean by "INTERNAL USERS"? You have internal and external >> users? >> Message limits are applied at points where messages flow: >> - Globally, which applies to all messages sent anywhere >> - Mailbox store, which applies to all mailboxes in the store >> - Mailbox-enabled user, which applies to that user only >> - Distribution group, which applies to mail sent through the DG >> - Public folder, which applies to mail sent to it >> - Connectors, which applies to mail sent through them >> - SMTP virtual server, which applies to mail sent through them >> The limit that applies is the minimum that is in effect at any point in >> the >> message route. I don't see any practical way to enforce limits sent >> interanlly that is smaller than sent externally. And, if you think about >> it, what you want makes no sense. Messages sent outside your >> organization >> must first travel through it. >> -- >> Ed Crowley MVP >> "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." >> .. >> >> "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:1F66AE27-3F0B-4520-8B6F-72B64598CDC0(a)microsoft.com... >> > Thanksfor your help. >> > >> > If I put limit on the global settings, will it apply to all emails >> > which >> > include external emails too? >> > >> > I only need to set attachment limit on INTERNAL USERS. >> > >> > ANY IDEA? >> > >> > "Vinkie" wrote: >> > >> >> Yes, there is a way. >> >> >> >> In ESM 'Global Settings', 'Message Delivery', 'Defaults' tab. >> >> >> >> "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:5D874D13-1B39-4A4A-A194-CA99E488F62B(a)microsoft.com... >> >> > Hi all, >> >> > >> >> > exchnage 2003 sp2/outlook 2003 >> >> > >> >> > since we can not set any limit on the message size, most internal >> >> > users >> >> > send >> >> > large size attachment each other. some times, it will cause our >> >> > server >> >> > queued up and delay messages delivery. >> >> > >> >> > Just wonder is there a way to set size on the internal messages >> >> > (inside >> >> > organization)? >> >> > >> >> > Thank you. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> . >>
From: Rich Matheisen [MVP] on 22 Feb 2010 16:57 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:01 -0800, ed <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Sorry. I mean internal messages When users inside organization send to >other users inside organization. > >unfortunately, we can not set limit due to bussiness requirement. users at >our company treat our mail server as our file server and send large files >(more than 500MB) to other users INSIDE organization. Also, we are not >allowed to put limit on >mails we send or receive externally. > >Is there a way to put limit on mails when users INSIDE company send to other >users inside company? But, no limit on mails send to or receive from >external company (not our company)??? If you were running Exchange 2007 you could create a Transport rule that said something like "when a message is sent from a user inside the organization to a user insode the organization and the size of any attachment is greater than or equal to X send a NDR with Y to sender with Z". --- Rich Matheisen MCSE+I, Exchange MVP
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] on 22 Feb 2010 19:06 That'd be fun to debug! -- Ed Crowley MVP "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." .. "Rich Matheisen [MVP]" <richnews(a)rmcons.com.NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message news:q6v5o5t60b1qohv9ncs435qn7tp18a1r1a(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:01 -0800, ed <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> > wrote: > >>Sorry. I mean internal messages When users inside organization send to >>other users inside organization. >> >>unfortunately, we can not set limit due to bussiness requirement. users >>at >>our company treat our mail server as our file server and send large files >>(more than 500MB) to other users INSIDE organization. Also, we are not >>allowed to put limit on >>mails we send or receive externally. >> >>Is there a way to put limit on mails when users INSIDE company send to >>other >>users inside company? But, no limit on mails send to or receive from >>external company (not our company)??? > > If you were running Exchange 2007 you could create a Transport rule > that said something like "when a message is sent from a user inside > the organization to a user insode the organization and the size of any > attachment is greater than or equal to X send a NDR with Y to sender > with Z". > --- > Rich Matheisen > MCSE+I, Exchange MVP
From: Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert on 23 Feb 2010 06:48 Terrible business practice. The JET database on which Exchange runs was not designed for this. Here is what happens when Exchange gets hit with a 500MB attachment - 100 5MB transaction logs are generated! You can't even take advantage of single instance store in this scenario. May I suggest gently introducing them to Sharepoint workflow? They will like it due to built-in version control and it integrates well with Outlook. This was possible long ago http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ork2003/HA011402701033.aspx (historical stuff about Sharepoint 2.0 and Outlook 2003) This article is a bit more modern http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA100819571033.aspx (Outlook 2007 and Sharepoint 3.0) - note how it seemlessly integrates file libraries without placing the burden on your Exchange server? You also gain auditing and versioning. It's a better solution. You can be evil like me :) and find a constraint. For example - the server backup no longer fits on one tape. The mailstore is approaching 75GB limit. -- Leonid S. Knyshov Crashproof Solutions 510-282-1008 Twitter: @wiseleo http://crashproofsolutions.com Microsoft Small Business Specialist Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :) "ed" wrote: > Ed, thank you. > > Sorry. I mean internal messages When users inside organization send to > other users inside organization. > > unfortunately, we can not set limit due to bussiness requirement. users at > our company treat our mail server as our file server and send large files > (more than 500MB) to other users INSIDE organization. Also, we are not > allowed to put limit on > mails we send or receive externally. > > Is there a way to put limit on mails when users INSIDE company send to other > users inside company? But, no limit on mails send to or receive from > external company (not our company)??? > > Thank you. > > "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote: > > > What do you mean by "INTERNAL USERS"? You have internal and external users? > > Message limits are applied at points where messages flow: > > - Globally, which applies to all messages sent anywhere > > - Mailbox store, which applies to all mailboxes in the store > > - Mailbox-enabled user, which applies to that user only > > - Distribution group, which applies to mail sent through the DG > > - Public folder, which applies to mail sent to it > > - Connectors, which applies to mail sent through them > > - SMTP virtual server, which applies to mail sent through them > > The limit that applies is the minimum that is in effect at any point in the > > message route. I don't see any practical way to enforce limits sent > > interanlly that is smaller than sent externally. And, if you think about > > it, what you want makes no sense. Messages sent outside your organization > > must first travel through it. > > -- > > Ed Crowley MVP > > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." > > .. > > > > "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:1F66AE27-3F0B-4520-8B6F-72B64598CDC0(a)microsoft.com... > > > Thanksfor your help. > > > > > > If I put limit on the global settings, will it apply to all emails which > > > include external emails too? > > > > > > I only need to set attachment limit on INTERNAL USERS. > > > > > > ANY IDEA? > > > > > > "Vinkie" wrote: > > > > > >> Yes, there is a way. > > >> > > >> In ESM 'Global Settings', 'Message Delivery', 'Defaults' tab. > > >> > > >> "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:5D874D13-1B39-4A4A-A194-CA99E488F62B(a)microsoft.com... > > >> > Hi all, > > >> > > > >> > exchnage 2003 sp2/outlook 2003 > > >> > > > >> > since we can not set any limit on the message size, most internal users > > >> > send > > >> > large size attachment each other. some times, it will cause our mail > > >> > server > > >> > queued up and delay messages delivery. > > >> > > > >> > Just wonder is there a way to set size on the internal messages (inside > > >> > organization)? > > >> > > > >> > Thank you. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> . > > >> > > > > . > >
From: ed on 23 Feb 2010 10:36
Thanks for all sharing and help. Just for sharing: So, from IT to top manager of company to propose 150MB limit on the size of email, they even can not allow us to do it. I know most companies have 10MB limit. We have 150 MB limit and then we are not allowed to do it. What are your company's limit? Thank you. "Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert" wrote: > Terrible business practice. > > The JET database on which Exchange runs was not designed for this. Here is > what happens when Exchange gets hit with a 500MB attachment - 100 5MB > transaction logs are generated! > > You can't even take advantage of single instance store in this scenario. > > May I suggest gently introducing them to Sharepoint workflow? They will like > it due to built-in version control and it integrates well with Outlook. > > This was possible long ago > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ork2003/HA011402701033.aspx (historical > stuff about Sharepoint 2.0 and Outlook 2003) > > This article is a bit more modern > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA100819571033.aspx (Outlook 2007 > and Sharepoint 3.0) - note how it seemlessly integrates file libraries > without placing the burden on your Exchange server? You also gain auditing > and versioning. It's a better solution. > > You can be evil like me :) and find a constraint. For example - the server > backup no longer fits on one tape. The mailstore is approaching 75GB limit. > -- > Leonid S. Knyshov > Crashproof Solutions > 510-282-1008 > Twitter: @wiseleo > http://crashproofsolutions.com > Microsoft Small Business Specialist > Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :) > > > "ed" wrote: > > > Ed, thank you. > > > > Sorry. I mean internal messages When users inside organization send to > > other users inside organization. > > > > unfortunately, we can not set limit due to bussiness requirement. users at > > our company treat our mail server as our file server and send large files > > (more than 500MB) to other users INSIDE organization. Also, we are not > > allowed to put limit on > > mails we send or receive externally. > > > > Is there a way to put limit on mails when users INSIDE company send to other > > users inside company? But, no limit on mails send to or receive from > > external company (not our company)??? > > > > Thank you. > > > > "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote: > > > > > What do you mean by "INTERNAL USERS"? You have internal and external users? > > > Message limits are applied at points where messages flow: > > > - Globally, which applies to all messages sent anywhere > > > - Mailbox store, which applies to all mailboxes in the store > > > - Mailbox-enabled user, which applies to that user only > > > - Distribution group, which applies to mail sent through the DG > > > - Public folder, which applies to mail sent to it > > > - Connectors, which applies to mail sent through them > > > - SMTP virtual server, which applies to mail sent through them > > > The limit that applies is the minimum that is in effect at any point in the > > > message route. I don't see any practical way to enforce limits sent > > > interanlly that is smaller than sent externally. And, if you think about > > > it, what you want makes no sense. Messages sent outside your organization > > > must first travel through it. > > > -- > > > Ed Crowley MVP > > > "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." > > > .. > > > > > > "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > news:1F66AE27-3F0B-4520-8B6F-72B64598CDC0(a)microsoft.com... > > > > Thanksfor your help. > > > > > > > > If I put limit on the global settings, will it apply to all emails which > > > > include external emails too? > > > > > > > > I only need to set attachment limit on INTERNAL USERS. > > > > > > > > ANY IDEA? > > > > > > > > "Vinkie" wrote: > > > > > > > >> Yes, there is a way. > > > >> > > > >> In ESM 'Global Settings', 'Message Delivery', 'Defaults' tab. > > > >> > > > >> "ed" <ed(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:5D874D13-1B39-4A4A-A194-CA99E488F62B(a)microsoft.com... > > > >> > Hi all, > > > >> > > > > >> > exchnage 2003 sp2/outlook 2003 > > > >> > > > > >> > since we can not set any limit on the message size, most internal users > > > >> > send > > > >> > large size attachment each other. some times, it will cause our mail > > > >> > server > > > >> > queued up and delay messages delivery. > > > >> > > > > >> > Just wonder is there a way to set size on the internal messages (inside > > > >> > organization)? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thank you. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> . > > > >> > > > > > > . > > > |