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From: Mark Murray on 19 Jun 2010 04:20
On 19/06/2010 00:49, JSH wrote:
> If I have an idea I think is good, and I put it up, and people say,
> hey, your idea is good, what in the frak was the point?
>
> Then I learned NOTHING. After all, I already KNEW the freaking idea
> was good.
>
> Don't need others to tell me what I already know.
>
> Agreement on Usenet is worthless.

So you are not even brainstorming. You are looking for sycophantic
worshippers.

You have never had them on Usenet, and I have no idea what makes you
think you ever will get any.

You already have your censored blogs. Why don't you take what
meagre pickings you get there?

I'm not asking you not to post on Usenet (far from it!), but simply
wondering why you so consistently perfom an activity you admit
has no value.

M
--
Mark "No Nickname" Murray
Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
From: W. Dale Hall on 19 Jun 2010 13:52
Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
> JSH<jstevh(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Jun 18, 4:37 am, "Jesse F. Hughes"<je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>>> JSH<jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On Jun 17, 8:29 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes"<je...(a)phiwumbda.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> JSH<jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Posters take positions antagonistic to me as THAT'S WHAT
>>>>>> YOU DO on Usenet, or you can't argue.
>>>
>>>>> That's just not true.
>>>
>>>> Funny. But also telling. You have to take an opposite
>>>> position or arguing goes away.
>>>
>>> This is an insight not seen since Monty Python's Argument Clinic
>>> sketch.
>>
>> Hey, I thought you were clever!
>
> Yes, if encyclopedic knowledge of Monty Python isn't a sign of
> cleverness, I don't know what is.
>
> (Honestly. I don't.)
>

Not to spoil a well-meant expression of fondness for Python, but
cleverness is (from my experience) borne chiefly of finely-tuned
synapses ...and a readily-accessible lexicon. Errm, the two main
characteristics are finely-tuned synapses and a readily-accessible
lexicon ... and a sense of irony. Ahem. The three main characteristics
of cleverness are finely-tuned synapses and a readily-accessible
lexicon, a sense of irony ... and an almost fanatical devotion to
the Pope. Umm, I'll come in again.

Oops, what I meant to suggest was that cleverness is a trait of
personal style, and quite more special than any version of knowlege.
It captures the "readily-accessible lexicon", but misses the quickness
aspect (finely-tuned synapses) and propriety (sense of irony).

And then, well you didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition,
now, did you?

Dale
From: Ostap Bender on 20 Jun 2010 05:57
On Jun 17, 8:05 pm, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Arguing on Usenet is not about right or wrong.  It's about people who
> like to argue.  I admit that and I like to argue.

No, you don't. You nevder argue with your opponents. You never speak
to them. You speak AT htem. When somebody responds to you, you don't
argue with their points. You just change the subject.

You are not here to argue. You are here because you feel that your
mental limitations have prevented you from becoming famous, so you are
here to prove to yourself that you are great and famous.

You are a legend in your own mind, and deserve to remain one.

> Actually I could just as easily attack my own research, and have done
> so in the past and that didn't matter either!
>
> Posters take positions antagonistic to me as THAT'S WHAT YOU DO on
> Usenet, or you can't argue.
>
> Arguing IS the point.
>
> And it's not like any of us have to do anything anyway.  If I'm right
> my math will win out regardless.  If I'm wrong, it never will,
> regardless.
>
> Easy.  But arguing is FUN.  So that's what happens, but it's not this
> thing of cosmic significance or anything.
>
> Usenet is a fringe area of mathematics.  It's where the math rejects
> go so that SOMEONE may actually listen to them, or at least they can
> play pretend that they matter.  But they don't.
>
> IF they mattered, then they could go somewhere else.
>
> It's the gutter system of the mathematical world.
>
> James Harris

From: Ostap Bender on 20 Jun 2010 05:59
On Jun 18, 4:49 pm, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2:56 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>
> > Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo...(a)verizon.invalid> writes:
> > > On 06/17/2010 11:05 PM, JSH wrote:
> > >> Posters take positions antagonistic to me as THAT'S WHAT YOU DO on
> > >> Usenet, or you can't argue.
>
> > >> Arguing IS the point.
>
> > > Of Usenet? No. In many newsgroups here, the primary point is to ask and
> > > answer questions. Generally, the terminology for people who only argue
> > > is "troll".
>
> > Well, that, or "poster".
>
> Yeah.  Usenet in my opinion has a great value in talking out ideas.
>
> But agreement is worthless.
>
> If I have an idea I think is good, and I put it up, and people say,
> hey, your idea is good, what in the frak was the point?
>
> Then I learned NOTHING.  After all, I already KNEW the freaking idea
> was good.
>
> Don't need others to tell me what I already know.
>
> Agreement on Usenet is worthless.

How true!


From: Joshua Cranmer on 20 Jun 2010 15:03
On 06/20/2010 11:13 AM, JSH wrote:
> It is often a sewer.

Obviously, you've never seen goatse or 4chan. Or the internals of some
of the programs I've seen, for that matter.

Actually, come to think of it, most of the Internet is a giant cesspool,
with a few tiny islands of gem-quality value.

> And I think that gaining attention for one's ideas gets a LOT of
> hostility on Usenet, but I have learned from looking at the mainstream
> where for instance TMZ has grown big that it might be useful to learn
> these lessons from Usenet!

Hostility exists everywhere on the Internet. Actually, studies have
shown that people tend to be more hostile on the Internet. I've had
someone threaten to sue me only because I've suggested that his postings
were not helping the bug in question to be fixed.

> It is a global audience. Usenet is HUGE to be so dominated by screw-
> ups, nasty people and angry idiots, but that kind of makes it a knock-
> down, drag-out, no-holds barred version of other areas of attention in
> the mainstream world.

Attend a public hearing. You would think that there wouldn't be so much
controversy over a water main.

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
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