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From: Arne Vajhøj on 29 Apr 2010 21:39
On 29-04-2010 18:19, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>> On 28-04-2010 19:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, markspace wrote:
>>>> Rhino wrote:
>>>>> The comment above that line says only that the "default file output
>>>>> in the user's home directory"
>>>>
>>>> User's home directory! Like /usr/rhino or C:\Users\Rhino or
>>>> /home/rhino.
>>>
>>> Is there anywhere it would be /usr/rhino?
>>>
>>> On OS X, it would be /Users/Rhino, FWIW. On unix systems configured for
>>> large numbers of users, it might well be /home/r/rhino (it's broken up
>>> alphabetically). On unix systems which organise users by primary group
>>> (and there are some), it would be /home/pachyderms/rhino. All of which
>>> is useless information, of which i am a veritable mine.
>>>
>>> More importantly, why on earth is java writing logs to home directories?
>>> That's dreadful behaviour!
>>
>> If it has to pick a directory that:
>> - is known to exist
>> - where the app has write permission
>> - where files does not get deleted
>> - conceptually will exist on all platforms (or at least as many as
>> possible)
>> then what would you suggest?
>
> I'd suggest those assumptions are wrong. A library has no business
> deciding to write logs anywhere on disk at all; it should write logs
> where i tell it to, and only when i tell it to. If it has to log and i
> haven't told it to write to a file, it should write to syserr.

Isn't that rather pointless when in this Java has been asked
to log to a file?

I am not surprised that logging to a FileHandler actually wants
to write to a file.

Arne
From: RedGrittyBrick on 30 Apr 2010 05:00
On 30/04/2010 00:25, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 4/29/2010 6:42 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Lew wrote:
>
>>> Your usage is idiolectic.
>>
>> Yours is homodoxian.
> wow <http://quizlet.com/1189239/print/>
>

Yes, agelastic airlings should be abbluvated from this aerumnous agora.

Can we go back to plain English now please.

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From: Tom Anderson on 1 May 2010 20:46
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Jeff Higgins wrote:

> On 4/29/2010 6:42 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Lew wrote:
>
>>> Your usage is idiolectic.
>>
>> Yours is homodoxian.
>
> wow <http://quizlet.com/1189239/print/>

Nice!

I only used 'homodoxian' because it was in a newspaper article i'd been
reading. That list supplies me with lexical ammunition for years to come.

Thelyphthorically yours,
tom

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From: Tom Anderson on 1 May 2010 20:47
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

> On 29-04-2010 18:19, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>>> On 28-04-2010 19:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, markspace wrote:
>>>>> Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> The comment above that line says only that the "default file output
>>>>>> in the user's home directory"
>>>>>
>>>>> User's home directory! Like /usr/rhino or C:\Users\Rhino or
>>>>> /home/rhino.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anywhere it would be /usr/rhino?
>>>>
>>>> On OS X, it would be /Users/Rhino, FWIW. On unix systems configured for
>>>> large numbers of users, it might well be /home/r/rhino (it's broken up
>>>> alphabetically). On unix systems which organise users by primary group
>>>> (and there are some), it would be /home/pachyderms/rhino. All of which
>>>> is useless information, of which i am a veritable mine.
>>>>
>>>> More importantly, why on earth is java writing logs to home directories?
>>>> That's dreadful behaviour!
>>>
>>> If it has to pick a directory that:
>>> - is known to exist
>>> - where the app has write permission
>>> - where files does not get deleted
>>> - conceptually will exist on all platforms (or at least as many as
>>> possible)
>>> then what would you suggest?
>>
>> I'd suggest those assumptions are wrong. A library has no business
>> deciding to write logs anywhere on disk at all; it should write logs
>> where i tell it to, and only when i tell it to. If it has to log and i
>> haven't told it to write to a file, it should write to syserr.
>
> Isn't that rather pointless when in this Java has been asked
> to log to a file?
>
> I am not surprised that logging to a FileHandler actually wants to write
> to a file.

That's a highly reasonable assertion!

What is not reasonable is that it's possible to specify a FileHandler
without specifying a file, and thus that a default directory is required.

tom

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From: Arne Vajhøj on 1 May 2010 21:29
On 01-05-2010 20:47, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>
>> On 29-04-2010 18:19, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>>>> On 28-04-2010 19:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, markspace wrote:
>>>>>> Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> The comment above that line says only that the "default file output
>>>>>>> in the user's home directory"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> User's home directory! Like /usr/rhino or C:\Users\Rhino or
>>>>>> /home/rhino.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anywhere it would be /usr/rhino?
>>>>>
>>>>> On OS X, it would be /Users/Rhino, FWIW. On unix systems configured
>>>>> for
>>>>> large numbers of users, it might well be /home/r/rhino (it's broken up
>>>>> alphabetically). On unix systems which organise users by primary group
>>>>> (and there are some), it would be /home/pachyderms/rhino. All of which
>>>>> is useless information, of which i am a veritable mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> More importantly, why on earth is java writing logs to home
>>>>> directories?
>>>>> That's dreadful behaviour!
>>>>
>>>> If it has to pick a directory that:
>>>> - is known to exist
>>>> - where the app has write permission
>>>> - where files does not get deleted
>>>> - conceptually will exist on all platforms (or at least as many as
>>>> possible)
>>>> then what would you suggest?
>>>
>>> I'd suggest those assumptions are wrong. A library has no business
>>> deciding to write logs anywhere on disk at all; it should write logs
>>> where i tell it to, and only when i tell it to. If it has to log and i
>>> haven't told it to write to a file, it should write to syserr.
>>
>> Isn't that rather pointless when in this Java has been asked
>> to log to a file?
>>
>> I am not surprised that logging to a FileHandler actually wants to
>> write to a file.
>
> That's a highly reasonable assertion!
>
> What is not reasonable is that it's possible to specify a FileHandler
> without specifying a file, and thus that a default directory is required.

I would probably also prefer a big fat exception instead of a default
for that.

But somebody at SUN wanted to be helpful.

Arne

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