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From: Dave Peterson on 1 Jun 2010 12:52 Verizon.net is my ISP, but they've stopped carrying newsgroups a while ago. I connect directly to the MSServers to post here. I think the main problem will be if MS sends out remove group command. I don't know if others servers will respect those requests. I've read in other forums that at least one admin will of another newsserver will respect the request and remove the newsgroups. (It may have been eternal-september, but I don't recall for sure.) So for me, finding a replacement newsserver (cheap, preferably free) that still carries these groups would be the challenge. (I don't like the web based google groups any better than the web based MS forums/Answers.) I would expect that most people (non-regulars) would migrate to the MS hosted answers forum just to avoid costs/aggrevation. And traffic will diminish (I bet significantly). BTW, I think MS changed their limit to 90 days a year or more ago. They may have even cut it to 30 days. But I agree, if I'm looking for something more than a day or two old, I'll use google groups. Harlan Grove wrote: > > Dave Peterson <peter...(a)verizonXSPAM.net> wrote: > >Just testing to see if I can post to MS Servers. > > There's a BIG difference between posting to the microsoft.public.* > newsgroups generally vs posting to them specifically on > msnews.microsoft.com nntp servers. Microsoft has pulled the plug on > their own msnews.microsoft.com servers, but as long as ISPs and Google > Groups continue to support the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, they > won't disappear. > > Consider: there are still postings to > microsoft.public.excel.worksheetfunctions (note only 3 periods). They > just don't go through the msnews.microsoft.com servers. I'd note that > it appears you posted through a Verizon account, and I'm reading and > responding to it through Google Groups. > > This is the strength of USENET/NNPT. It was meant to keep working even > if a country or even a continent or two sank into the ocean. As long > as ISPs retain microsoft.public.* newsgroups in their NNTP servers' > newsgroups lists, it'll remain possible to continue to use them. In > the short term the only thing that won't be possible is accessing them > through msnews.microsoft.com. > > That said, the one drawback to ISP-hosted newsgroups is latency. ISPs > tend to delete newsgroup messages after a short period of time, as > short as 2 days on some, as long as a few months on others, but there > won't be 12 months or more of postings like there was on > msnews.microsoft.com servers. Google Groups remains the best archive > of old postings. -- Dave Peterson
From: Dave Peterson on 1 Jun 2010 12:58 This: I've read in other forums that at least one admin will of another newsserver will respect the request and remove the newsgroups. (It may have been eternal-september, but I don't recall for sure.) Should have been: I've read in another forum that at least one admin of another newsserver will respect the requests and remove the newsgroups. (It may have been eternal-september, but I don't recall for sure.) Dave Peterson wrote: > > Verizon.net is my ISP, but they've stopped carrying newsgroups a while ago. I > connect directly to the MSServers to post here. > > I think the main problem will be if MS sends out remove group command. I don't > know if others servers will respect those requests. > > I've read in other forums that at least one admin will of another newsserver > will respect the request and remove the newsgroups. (It may have been > eternal-september, but I don't recall for sure.) > > So for me, finding a replacement newsserver (cheap, preferably free) that still > carries these groups would be the challenge. (I don't like the web based google > groups any better than the web based MS forums/Answers.) > > I would expect that most people (non-regulars) would migrate to the MS hosted > answers forum just to avoid costs/aggrevation. And traffic will diminish (I bet > significantly). > > BTW, I think MS changed their limit to 90 days a year or more ago. They may > have even cut it to 30 days. But I agree, if I'm looking for something more > than a day or two old, I'll use google groups. > > Harlan Grove wrote: > > > > Dave Peterson <peter...(a)verizonXSPAM.net> wrote: > > >Just testing to see if I can post to MS Servers. > > > > There's a BIG difference between posting to the microsoft.public.* > > newsgroups generally vs posting to them specifically on > > msnews.microsoft.com nntp servers. Microsoft has pulled the plug on > > their own msnews.microsoft.com servers, but as long as ISPs and Google > > Groups continue to support the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, they > > won't disappear. > > > > Consider: there are still postings to > > microsoft.public.excel.worksheetfunctions (note only 3 periods). They > > just don't go through the msnews.microsoft.com servers. I'd note that > > it appears you posted through a Verizon account, and I'm reading and > > responding to it through Google Groups. > > > > This is the strength of USENET/NNPT. It was meant to keep working even > > if a country or even a continent or two sank into the ocean. As long > > as ISPs retain microsoft.public.* newsgroups in their NNTP servers' > > newsgroups lists, it'll remain possible to continue to use them. In > > the short term the only thing that won't be possible is accessing them > > through msnews.microsoft.com. > > > > That said, the one drawback to ISP-hosted newsgroups is latency. ISPs > > tend to delete newsgroup messages after a short period of time, as > > short as 2 days on some, as long as a few months on others, but there > > won't be 12 months or more of postings like there was on > > msnews.microsoft.com servers. Google Groups remains the best archive > > of old postings. > > -- > > Dave Peterson -- Dave Peterson
From: Harlan Grove on 1 Jun 2010 14:17 Dave Peterson <peter...(a)verizonXSPAM.net> wrote... >Verizon.net is my ISP, but they've stopped carrying newsgroups a while ago.. I >connect directly to the MSServers to post here. .... OK. Odd that your response to which I'm responding here carries the tag NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-105-124-151.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net 70.105.124.151 >I think the main problem will be if MS sends out remove group command. I don't >know if others servers will respect those requests. .... Didn't work for microsoft.public.excel.worksheetfunctions, that is, if MSFT tried doing so when they replaced that newsgroup with microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions. I don't mind Google Groups because it provides a tree view of article- response threads. MSFT's web format is much less usable, at least for me. Who knows? Maybe this'll breath new life into comp.apps.spreadsheets. Doubt it, though.
From: Peter T on 1 Jun 2010 15:06 "Harlan Grove" wrote in message > Dave Peterson <peter...(a)verizonXSPAM.net> wrote: >>Just testing to see if I can post to MS Servers. > > There's a BIG difference between posting to the microsoft.public.* > newsgroups generally vs posting to them specifically on > msnews.microsoft.com nntp servers. Microsoft has pulled the plug on > their own msnews.microsoft.com servers, but as long as ISPs and Google > Groups continue to support the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, they > won't disappear. I think that will depend on what cancel notices, if any, MS send out and if the ISPs observe them. If this message arrives it means msnews.microsoft.com is still working, 'cos that's the account in my OE I'm using! Regards, Peter T
From: GS on 1 Jun 2010 16:23 Peter T formulated on Tuesday : > "Harlan Grove" wrote in message >> Dave Peterson <peter...(a)verizonXSPAM.net> wrote: >>>Just testing to see if I can post to MS Servers. >> >> There's a BIG difference between posting to the microsoft.public.* >> newsgroups generally vs posting to them specifically on >> msnews.microsoft.com nntp servers. Microsoft has pulled the plug on >> their own msnews.microsoft.com servers, but as long as ISPs and Google >> Groups continue to support the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, they >> won't disappear. > > I think that will depend on what cancel notices, if any, MS send out and if > the ISPs observe them. > > If this message arrives it means msnews.microsoft.com is still working, 'cos > that's the account in my OE I'm using! > > Regards, > Peter T Hi Peter, Just a note to confirm that I have switched reading all my news groups through news.e-s.org, and so is where I access this NG. Seems to be working normal. regards, -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
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