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From: Nisse Engström on 31 Jul 2010 06:38 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: > On Jul 28, 3:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thinking about this further, I suppose if Opera has a bug in its >> "special" key handling that is severe enough for it to crash (and >> assuming the crashes weren't related to some extraneous factor like a >> virus or trojan), I suppose that rapid-fire updating of the log >> (TEXTAREA) on all three key-related events could expose it. But >> that's just speculation. One thing is for sure: the >> attachKeyboardListeners function isn't doing anything flaky. It's a >> very simple callback mechanism with no voodoo. The tests and demos >> that call it are not doing anything odd either. >> >> If this is something you can reliably reproduce, I'd be glad to help >> pin down exactly what causes it. Might want to drop Opera a note as >> well. Come to think of it, the quirky keys are all in the same area of the keyboard. Perhaps some lines are getting crossed that generate spurious scan codes that doesn't affect normal operation of the keyboard? It *is* an old keyboard. >> Also, the My Library add-on that I posted last night does not use DOM0 >> events, so comparing its test page (linked at the top of the source) >> to the original might shed some light (e.g. if it doesn't cause the >> issue to appear then Opera has a bug in its DOM0 event handling). Interesting. Will take a peek. > Also, is this on Win98? If so, Opera may well have stopped caring > about that OS. Still, we can try to isolate it and send them a report. Still 98SE. Opera 10.60 beta doesn't run on 98 and I don't expect 10.60 final or later to run either, although it has happened before that the final release of some version was fixed up to work on 98. I might dig around some more later. I'm seriously out of focus at the moment. :-( /Nisse
From: David Mark on 31 Jul 2010 08:26 On Jul 31, 6:38 am, Nisse Engström <news.NOSPAM.id...(a)luden.se> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: > > On Jul 28, 3:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Thinking about this further, I suppose if Opera has a bug in its > >> "special" key handling that is severe enough for it to crash (and > >> assuming the crashes weren't related to some extraneous factor like a > >> virus or trojan), I suppose that rapid-fire updating of the log > >> (TEXTAREA) on all three key-related events could expose it. But > >> that's just speculation. One thing is for sure: the > >> attachKeyboardListeners function isn't doing anything flaky. It's a > >> very simple callback mechanism with no voodoo. The tests and demos > >> that call it are not doing anything odd either. > > >> If this is something you can reliably reproduce, I'd be glad to help > >> pin down exactly what causes it. Might want to drop Opera a note as > >> well. > > Come to think of it, the quirky keys are all in the same > area of the keyboard. Numeric keypad IIRC? Sorry, but I'll have to review the previous posts. I do remember that there were issues with AltGr not firing a keyup for both Alt and Ctrl. And some weird keys (e.g. "cut", "copy", etc.) that generated 0's, but I can't remember who reported each issue at the moment. But I was referring to the problem of Opera crashing in Win98 on pressing the menu key. > Perhaps some lines are getting crossed > that generate spurious scan codes that doesn't affect normal > operation of the keyboard? It *is* an old keyboard. More likely bugs in the browser, possibly exacerbated by the old OS. > > >> Also, the My Library add-on that I posted last night does not use DOM0 > >> events, so comparing its test page (linked at the top of the source) > >> to the original might shed some light (e.g. if it doesn't cause the > >> issue to appear then Opera has a bug in its DOM0 event handling). > > Interesting. Will take a peek. It probably won't behave any differently, but if it does, it will be a good clue for the bug report to Opera. > > > Also, is this on Win98? If so, Opera may well have stopped caring > > about that OS. Still, we can try to isolate it and send them a report. > > Still 98SE. Opera 10.60 beta doesn't run on 98 and I don't > expect 10.60 final or later to run either, although it has > happened before that the final release of some version was > fixed up to work on 98. So you are on 10.5 then? That's why I have on my primary workstation. I do remember that you have almost all of the versions installed. I've got them back to 5 anyway. > > I might dig around some more later. I'm seriously out of > focus at the moment. :-( > Same here. The past week has really been one for the books.
From: Nisse Engström on 31 Jul 2010 14:56 On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:26:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: > On Jul 31, 6:38 am, Nisse Engström <news.NOSPAM.id...(a)luden.se> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: >>> On Jul 28, 3:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Come to think of it, the quirky keys are all in the same >> area of the keyboard. > > Numeric keypad IIRC? Sorry, but I'll have to review the previous > posts. I do remember that there were issues with AltGr not firing a > keyup for both Alt and Ctrl. And some weird keys (e.g. "cut", "copy", > etc.) that generated 0's, but I can't remember who reported each issue > at the moment. I was thinking AltGr-Menu-Ctrl-DownArrow, but there was also NumLock, so maybe not. >>>> Also, the My Library add-on that I posted last night does not use DOM0 >>>> events, so comparing its test page (linked at the top of the source) >>>> to the original might shed some light (e.g. if it doesn't cause the >>>> issue to appear then Opera has a bug in its DOM0 event handling). > > It probably won't behave any differently, but if it does, it will be a > good clue for the bug report to Opera. No difference, at a glance. >> Still 98SE. Opera 10.60 beta doesn't run on 98 and I don't >> expect 10.60 final or later to run either, although it has >> happened before that the final release of some version was >> fixed up to work on 98. > > So you are on 10.5 then? That's why I have on my primary workstation. Yup. > I do remember that you have almost all of the versions installed. > I've got them back to 5 anyway. Oooh. The earliest version I have around is 7.23, but I do have 72 different versions installed. I don't know when I started using Opera, but I seem to recall something about 3.62... /Nisse
From: David Mark on 31 Jul 2010 17:38
On Jul 31, 2:56 pm, Nisse Engström <news.NOSPAM.id...(a)luden.se> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:26:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: > > On Jul 31, 6:38 am, Nisse Engström <news.NOSPAM.id...(a)luden.se> wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT), David Mark wrote: > >>> On Jul 28, 3:19 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Come to think of it, the quirky keys are all in the same > >> area of the keyboard. > > > Numeric keypad IIRC? Sorry, but I'll have to review the previous > > posts. I do remember that there were issues with AltGr not firing a > > keyup for both Alt and Ctrl. And some weird keys (e.g. "cut", "copy", > > etc.) that generated 0's, but I can't remember who reported each issue > > at the moment. > > I was thinking AltGr-Menu-Ctrl-DownArrow, but there > was also NumLock, so maybe not. Okay. > > >>>> Also, the My Library add-on that I posted last night does not use DOM0 > >>>> events, so comparing its test page (linked at the top of the source) > >>>> to the original might shed some light (e.g. if it doesn't cause the > >>>> issue to appear then Opera has a bug in its DOM0 event handling). > > > It probably won't behave any differently, but if it does, it will be a > > good clue for the bug report to Opera. > > No difference, at a glance. > > >> Still 98SE. Opera 10.60 beta doesn't run on 98 and I don't > >> expect 10.60 final or later to run either, although it has > >> happened before that the final release of some version was > >> fixed up to work on 98. > > > So you are on 10.5 then? That's why I have on my primary workstation.. > > Yup. > > > I do remember that you have almost all of the versions installed. > > I've got them back to 5 anyway. > > Oooh. The earliest version I have around is 7.23, but > I do have 72 different versions installed. I don't know > when I started using Opera, but I seem to recall > something about 3.62... > 72 huh? That's quite an embarrassment of riches. What do you do with all of those? |