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From: SMS on 30 Jun 2010 21:40
On 30/06/10 5:42 PM, Rich wrote:

> Well, if that fixed-lens 4/3rds comes out, it'll mean that at least
> some P&S'rs will have a camera that can at least try to compete with
> DSLRs, on an image quality level.

In very limited circumstances, but yes, it's possible.

> Up to now, you've had the Sony R1
> (nice camera) and the Sigma and finally the overpriced Leica. But you
> have to dump the crappy superzooms.

Fixed lens 4/3rds will not save 4/3rds. Mirrorless interchangeable lens
4/3 might have some marketability, though the first systems are flawed,
as is Sony's competing NEX system.

For all the issues with super-zooms, they do have their place. In good
light, where you don't need fast focusing, and are not overly concerned
with image quality, they meet the needs of some users.
From: Tim Conway on 30 Jun 2010 22:10

"Charles Chase" <spammenot(a)ipt.aol.com> wrote in message
news:n3rn26hnl88nlehse9q1mj2h6iqurk2c50(a)4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:42:50 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
>>
>>Well, if that fixed-lens 4/3rds comes out, it'll mean that at least
>>some P&S'rs will have a camera that can at least try to compete with
>>DSLRs, on an image quality level. Up to now, you've had the Sony R1
>>(nice camera) and the Sigma and finally the overpriced Leica. But you
>>have to dump the crappy superzooms.
>
> I see that those mental blinders of yours are still helping you to enjoy
> your deep bliss of total ignorance.
>
> I have a P&S superzoom camera from 2003 that beats the image quality of an
> EOS D60 when images are compared side by side of the same subjects in all
> lighting conditions. A Powershot G9 from three years ago beats the image
> quality of 7D DSLR today. A 20x superzoom P&S camera puts the image
> quality
> of a EOS450D with a meager 3X zoom lens to shame. A handheld G10 rivals
> the
> image quality of a medium format Hasselblad that's securely mounted on a
> sturdy tripod with mirror-lockup, timed shutter-delay, and tripped with a
> remote cable release.
>
> For all those DSLR-buying fools that doubt this to be true:
>
> <http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml>
>
> <http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml>
>
> <http://darwinwiggett.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-canon-7d/>

Those are probably the exception to the rule, not the norm. Most p&s
cameras don't compare.

From: SneakyP on 30 Jun 2010 22:24
Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap(a)arumes.com> wrote in news:6c80a$4c2bbd80
$546ac3cf$29004(a)cache90.multikabel.net:

>
> With Hamster, expanding the filtering to include replies to the troll is
> easy. All it takes is a single, fairly simple hs2-script.
> I haven't used Hamster myself for about five years, so I can't give any
> details.
>
>

I wish I could read German. Thanks for the hint.

--
SneakyP
To email me, you know what to do.

From: Charles Chase on 30 Jun 2010 22:34
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:10:14 -0400, "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Charles Chase" <spammenot(a)ipt.aol.com> wrote in message
>news:n3rn26hnl88nlehse9q1mj2h6iqurk2c50(a)4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:42:50 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>>Well, if that fixed-lens 4/3rds comes out, it'll mean that at least
>>>some P&S'rs will have a camera that can at least try to compete with
>>>DSLRs, on an image quality level. Up to now, you've had the Sony R1
>>>(nice camera) and the Sigma and finally the overpriced Leica. But you
>>>have to dump the crappy superzooms.
>>
>> I see that those mental blinders of yours are still helping you to enjoy
>> your deep bliss of total ignorance.
>>
>> I have a P&S superzoom camera from 2003 that beats the image quality of an
>> EOS D60 when images are compared side by side of the same subjects in all
>> lighting conditions. A Powershot G9 from three years ago beats the image
>> quality of 7D DSLR today. A 20x superzoom P&S camera puts the image
>> quality
>> of a EOS450D with a meager 3X zoom lens to shame. A handheld G10 rivals
>> the
>> image quality of a medium format Hasselblad that's securely mounted on a
>> sturdy tripod with mirror-lockup, timed shutter-delay, and tripped with a
>> remote cable release.
>>
>> For all those DSLR-buying fools that doubt this to be true:
>>
>> <http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml>
>>
>> <http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml>
>>
>> <http://darwinwiggett.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-canon-7d/>
>
>Those are probably the exception to the rule, not the norm. Most p&s
>cameras don't compare.

You'd be surprised if you started to compare them on your own. Trouble is,
DSLR owners are so amazingly insecure about their purchases and having to
relentlessly justify the expense that few if any want to risk comparing
their DSLRs and glass against relatively inexpensive P&S cameras. They
couldn't handle the harsh reality of their delusions and disappointments
found in their DSLR gear all these years.

From: John Navas on 30 Jun 2010 22:51
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:10:14 -0400, in
<i0gtek$pk7$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Tim Conway"
<tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>"Charles Chase" <spammenot(a)ipt.aol.com> wrote in message
>news:n3rn26hnl88nlehse9q1mj2h6iqurk2c50(a)4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:42:50 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>>Well, if that fixed-lens 4/3rds comes out, it'll mean that at least
>>>some P&S'rs will have a camera that can at least try to compete with
>>>DSLRs, on an image quality level. Up to now, you've had the Sony R1
>>>(nice camera) and the Sigma and finally the overpriced Leica. But you
>>>have to dump the crappy superzooms.
>>
>> I see that those mental blinders of yours are still helping you to enjoy
>> your deep bliss of total ignorance.
>>
>> I have a P&S superzoom camera from 2003 that beats the image quality of an
>> EOS D60 when images are compared side by side of the same subjects in all
>> lighting conditions. A Powershot G9 from three years ago beats the image
>> quality of 7D DSLR today. A 20x superzoom P&S camera puts the image
>> quality
>> of a EOS450D with a meager 3X zoom lens to shame. A handheld G10 rivals
>> the
>> image quality of a medium format Hasselblad that's securely mounted on a
>> sturdy tripod with mirror-lockup, timed shutter-delay, and tripped with a
>> remote cable release.
>>
>> For all those DSLR-buying fools that doubt this to be true:
>>
>> <http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml>
>>
>> <http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml>
>>
>> <http://darwinwiggett.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-canon-7d/>
>
>Those are probably the exception to the rule, not the norm. Most p&s
>cameras don't compare.

It's a direct rebuttal to what Rich wrote.

--
Best regards,
John

Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
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