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From: JT on 14 Jun 2010 15:45 On 14 Juni, 19:35, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 10 Juni, 21:46, gb <gb6...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Usually people want to avoid friction, I want to create one. > > > The idea is that there is a spaceship in space. You throw something, a > > weight from the front of the spaceship to the back of the spaceship, > > then the spaceship moves. > > > But when the weight reaches the end of the spaceship, the spaceship > > stops in space. > > > Now what if we convert kinetic energy into heat? Heat is this thing > > which can be lost as friction between the weight leaving the top of > > the spaceship and arriving to the end. > > > What is launched at the top can be some chemical, which transforms > > from kinetic motion to where the energy of motion is lost as heat and > > friction. > > > Heat can absorb energy of motion where particles lose energy by > > colliding with one another and they build heat. > > > This spaceship, or flying saucer would pulse energy this way > > internally without letting matter escape, would use a nuclear reactor, > > and is a master of cruel friction. > > > How could such a spaceship be built technologically where kinetic > > energy is transferred into heat, producing valid motion in physics by > > such a spaceship? > > The easiest way to achieve inertial propulsion is to use a Thornson > engine, it is built around the principle that the action and reaction > take place in a closed system but the two forces is not separated by > 180 degrees so there will be no equillibrium. > > Basicly the main part of acceleration take place in opposite direction > of the impact the mass in slingshot thru a 180 degree curve. So you > have a mass that creates an action force in same direction as the > reaction force within a ringlike construction. Now this of course > would only lead to angular forces making the ring spin or rotate, that > is why you need two ringstructures and let one mass in each work > counterwise eachother. > > Except from the friction of the accelerated mass you have now created > a linear force in the direction of the impact zones that make a pulse > transfer of linear momentum when the two synchronized masses pass the > impact zones. > > The easiest way to test a upgraded Thornson engine would be to use > motor and disc of two parallell attached harddrives counterwise > accelerated with neo dynium magnets glued on the discs so the > repulsive forces work in the rotating direction. Now you mount each > on a elongated piece of styrofoam and basicly build a catamaran. > > For the impact zones of the two accelerated neodyniums you use a piece > of spring suspended ferromagnet that is pushed every time the > neodyniums pass, of course you could mount them on skateboard if you > rather would like a landdriven inertial propulsion vehicle. > > But in real inertial space propulsion there is two counterwise > rotating ferromagnetic liquids or gases accelerated within two > topmounted ringtube/pipe by using a ring shaped railgun. The linear > force is created by simply flip/inverse two of the electromagnets > within the two topmounted ringtubes on opposite sides so that there is > a linear force created at the oppposited polarised magnetic impact > zones. That is how inertial propelled vehicles can acclerated into any > direction from being hovering. The hovering is made by two smaller > rings vertical mounted in middle of ring structure. > \ = / > /<=|=|=|=|=|=|=// \\=|=|=|=|=|=|=>\ > | = = | > \<=|=|=|=|=|=|=\\ //=|=|=|=|=|=|=>/ > / = \ > > Of course it is all speculation, even the Thorson engine, and still it > works. > > JT- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7426258106071720512# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8UBtYph6I0
From: JT on 14 Jun 2010 16:53 On 14 Juni, 19:35, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 10 Juni, 21:46, gb <gb6...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Usually people want to avoid friction, I want to create one. > > > The idea is that there is a spaceship in space. You throw something, a > > weight from the front of the spaceship to the back of the spaceship, > > then the spaceship moves. > > > But when the weight reaches the end of the spaceship, the spaceship > > stops in space. > > > Now what if we convert kinetic energy into heat? Heat is this thing > > which can be lost as friction between the weight leaving the top of > > the spaceship and arriving to the end. > > > What is launched at the top can be some chemical, which transforms > > from kinetic motion to where the energy of motion is lost as heat and > > friction. > > > Heat can absorb energy of motion where particles lose energy by > > colliding with one another and they build heat. > > > This spaceship, or flying saucer would pulse energy this way > > internally without letting matter escape, would use a nuclear reactor, > > and is a master of cruel friction. > > > How could such a spaceship be built technologically where kinetic > > energy is transferred into heat, producing valid motion in physics by > > such a spaceship? > > The easiest way to achieve inertial propulsion is to use a Thornson > engine, it is built around the principle that the action and reaction > take place in a closed system but the two forces is not separated by > 180 degrees so there will be no equillibrium. > > Basicly the main part of acceleration take place in opposite direction > of the impact the mass in slingshot thru a 180 degree curve. So you > have a mass that creates an action force in same direction as the > reaction force within a ringlike construction. Now this of course > would only lead to angular forces making the ring spin or rotate, that > is why you need two ringstructures and let one mass in each work > counterwise eachother. > > Except from the friction of the accelerated mass you have now created > a linear force in the direction of the impact zones that make a pulse > transfer of linear momentum when the two synchronized masses pass the > impact zones. > > The easiest way to test a upgraded Thornson engine would be to use > motor and disc of two parallell attached harddrives counterwise > accelerated with neo dynium magnets glued on the discs so the > repulsive forces work in the rotating direction. Now you mount each > on a elongated piece of styrofoam and basicly build a catamaran. > > For the impact zones of the two accelerated neodyniums you use a piece > of spring suspended ferromagnet that is pushed every time the > neodyniums pass, of course you could mount them on skateboard if you > rather would like a landdriven inertial propulsion vehicle. > > But in real inertial space propulsion there is two counterwise > rotating ferromagnetic liquids or gases accelerated within two > topmounted ringtube/pipe by using a ring shaped railgun. The linear > force is created by simply flip/inverse two of the electromagnets > within the two topmounted ringtubes on opposite sides so that there is > a linear force created at the oppposited polarised magnetic impact > zones. That is how inertial propelled vehicles can acclerated into any > direction from being hovering. The hovering is made by two smaller > rings vertical mounted in middle of ring structure. > \ = / > /<=|=|=|=|=|=|=// \\=|=|=|=|=|=|=>\ > | = = | > \<=|=|=|=|=|=|=\\ //=|=|=|=|=|=|=>/ > / = \ > > Of course it is all speculation, even the Thorson engine, and still it > works. > > JT- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - The funny think with magnetic breaking and impact zones is that it creates basicly no friction if correctly done so all the action force will basicly be transferred to linear momentum and so go for all the accelerated mass that has not been converted to kinetic energy as it is accelerated faster and faster within the tubes, now one electromagnet around each ring shaped tube is fliped to inverse polarity and pulses when the charged matter stream passes. That will give the vehicle some serious momentum. JT
From: gb on 15 Jun 2010 14:21 > > Now I take away momentum, in that sense of 'internally lost energy of > > momentum'. > > You have missed a very fundamental finding in physics. Momentum > is always conserved! There is no "internally lost energy of momentum" > > You appear not to know the differences between the concepts of > momentum, energy and thermodynamics. Easily remedied with a freshman > level physics textbook. Google is your friend. Can impact momentum (from an object) into a sandbag evaporate energy by scattering that energy in all direction between resonating sand crystals? Never mind.
From: gb on 15 Jun 2010 14:24 On Jun 13, 6:18 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/13/10 5:01 PM, gb wrote: > > > Can impact into a bag filled with > > sand absorb the impact into vibrations, where the sandbag itself would > > move with less energy after the hit because some energy is lost, > > absorbed? Do water bags colliding absorb energy of impact? My only > > experiment revolves around five pool table balls hanging in line and > > hitting the first one moves the last one. Can we make energy absorbed > > so the last one moves just a little, then place these absorbing balls > > to the bottom of the spaceship? > > Get some water balloons, go to the sandy beach, do some experiments, > write down the experimental setup, record the data and experimental > error and draw conclusions. Apply mathematical analysis. Write this > all down in a lab notebook and get back to us. It should be interesting that hanging five pool table balls and hitting the first one in the line sends the last one up. Yet this momentum transferred through the balls does not apply with sand balls where sand crystal vibrations remove this momentum of impact. The problem belongs to physicists to solve.
From: gb on 15 Jun 2010 14:31
> Do you think momentum is mysteriously lost every time the cops test > a gun this way? Well, I have a theory here which claims that in such cases where impact momentum changes into spreaded out vibration of debris, be it the crystals vibrating in sand, then momentum is mysteriously lost. One can see covered water bubbles in space, where impact creates not only horizontal linear momentum but also vertical waves in the bubble, taking away from linear momentum. |