Known physics defeated by simple puzzle?
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From: Sam Wormley on 19 Mar 2010 02:53 On 3/19/10 1:48 AM, JT wrote: > No you are wrong two particle accelerators 300 000 km apart firing > particle C and D simultaneous in frame A and B will not be measured 2 > seconds later as 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. They will still be 300 > 000 km apart there is no spatial length contraction in reality, only > in Lorentz transformation interpretated of Einstein as a propagation > delay due to tension in media. Take the perspective of the cosmic muon making it to the ground before its mean lifetime of 2.2 �s. The distance the muon experiences is foreshortened as predicted by special relativity.
From: JT on 19 Mar 2010 02:59 On 19 mar, 07:53, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/19/10 1:48 AM, JT wrote: > > > No you are wrong two particle accelerators 300 000 km apart firing > > particle C and D simultaneous in frame A and B will not be measured 2 > > seconds later as 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. They will still be 300 > > 000 km apart there is no spatial length contraction in reality, only > > in Lorentz transformation interpretated of Einstein as a propagation > > delay due to tension in media. > > Take the perspective of the cosmic muon making it to the ground > before its mean lifetime of 2.2 s. The distance the muon > experiences is foreshortened as predicted by special relativity. You are an idiot Sam there is two particles simultaneously fired from accelerators at 0.9999999999. Accelerators is at a distance of 300 000 km in a frame called A and B. How do i know you are an idiot? Only an idiot would claim that they will be measured 2 seconds later 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. So it is time to take back the contraction of spatial separation, only idiots claim that to happen, Einstein was no idiot. JT
From: Inertial on 19 Mar 2010 04:38 "JT" <jonas.thornvall(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3e45549e-f420-4302-82c2-699f135c56d9(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On 19 mar, 07:53, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 3/19/10 1:48 AM, JT wrote: >> >> > No you are wrong two particle accelerators 300 000 km apart firing >> > particle C and D simultaneous in frame A and B will not be measured 2 >> > seconds later as 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. They will still be 300 >> > 000 km apart there is no spatial length contraction in reality, only >> > in Lorentz transformation interpretated of Einstein as a propagation >> > delay due to tension in media. >> >> Take the perspective of the cosmic muon making it to the ground >> before its mean lifetime of 2.2 s. The distance the muon >> experiences is foreshortened as predicted by special relativity. > > You are an idiot Sam there is two particles simultaneously fired from > accelerators at 0.9999999999. > Accelerators is at a distance of 300 000 km in a frame called A and B. And they will remain as 300000km apart in frame A and B. There is no contraction WITHIN the frame. It is a difference in measurement of the same interval from different frames. > How do i know you are an idiot? you prove it with every post > Only an idiot would claim that they will be measured 2 seconds later > 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. No .. someone who understands SR would. That rules you out > So it is time to take back the contraction of spatial separation, only > idiots claim that to happen, Einstein was no idiot. Indeed he wasn't .. But you are.
From: Sam Wormley on 19 Mar 2010 12:39 On 3/19/10 1:59 AM, JT wrote: > On 19 mar, 07:53, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 3/19/10 1:48 AM, JT wrote: >> >>> No you are wrong two particle accelerators 300 000 km apart firing >>> particle C and D simultaneous in frame A and B will not be measured 2 >>> seconds later as 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. They will still be 300 >>> 000 km apart there is no spatial length contraction in reality, only >>> in Lorentz transformation interpretated of Einstein as a propagation >>> delay due to tension in media. >> >> Take the perspective of the cosmic muon making it to the ground >> before its mean lifetime of 2.2 s. The distance the muon >> experiences is foreshortened as predicted by special relativity. > > You are an idiot Sam there is two particles simultaneously fired from > accelerators at 0.9999999999. > Accelerators is at a distance of 300 000 km in a frame called A and B. > > How do i know you are an idiot? > Only an idiot would claim that they will be measured 2 seconds later > 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. > > So it is time to take back the contraction of spatial separation, only > idiots claim that to happen, Einstein was no idiot. > > JT As far as I can tell, JT, you do NOT understand inertial frames of reference, nor the basics of special relativity. End of story. JT--You really need to sit down and learn special relativity. There has never been an observation that contracts a prediction of special relativity. It remains a very fruitful theory and you should take the time to learn it, JT. What is the experimental basis of special relativity? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html How do you add velocities in special relativity? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html Can special relativity handle acceleration? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/acceleration.html
From: JT on 19 Mar 2010 15:35
On 19 mar, 17:39, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/19/10 1:59 AM, JT wrote: > > > > > > > On 19 mar, 07:53, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 3/19/10 1:48 AM, JT wrote: > > >>> No you are wrong two particle accelerators 300 000 km apart firing > >>> particle C and D simultaneous in frame A and B will not be measured 2 > >>> seconds later as 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. They will still be 300 > >>> 000 km apart there is no spatial length contraction in reality, only > >>> in Lorentz transformation interpretated of Einstein as a propagation > >>> delay due to tension in media. > > >> Take the perspective of the cosmic muon making it to the ground > >> before its mean lifetime of 2.2 s. The distance the muon > >> experiences is foreshortened as predicted by special relativity. > > > You are an idiot Sam there is two particles simultaneously fired from > > accelerators at 0.9999999999. > > Accelerators is at a distance of 300 000 km in a frame called A and B. > > > How do i know you are an idiot? > > Only an idiot would claim that they will be measured 2 seconds later > > 4.2 km apart in frame A and B. > > > So it is time to take back the contraction of spatial separation, only > > idiots claim that to happen, Einstein was no idiot. > > > JT > > As far as I can tell, JT, you do NOT understand inertial frames of > reference, nor the basics of special relativity. End of story. > > JT--You really need to sit down and learn special relativity. > There has never been an observation that contracts a prediction > of special relativity. It remains a very fruitful theory and > you should take the time to learn it, JT. > > What is the experimental basis of special relativity? > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html > > How do you add velocities in special relativity? > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html > > Can special relativity handle acceleration? > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/acceleration.html- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Well i understand this Sam, the particles C and D as per the example will not be separated by 4.2 km in frame A and B. Now this even Inertial understand, it is plain logic. JT |