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From: Peter Kemp on 15 Jul 2010 20:10
Many thanks to all who replied to my inquiry.

The drive is definately dead. I can hear the head clicking every second
or so while it is running. Went to Frys's and the only ATA 500gb drive
they had was a WD Caviar blue. Got the drive failed message using the
new drive. I noticed that the old drive is an ATA 133 and the WD is a
100. Could that possibly be why the drive is failing to be recognized?

According to the F800 manual, you can replace a failed drive with any
drive the same size or larger.

For Arno: THis drive was used as a daily backup device and we were
about due for a complete backup so we're not really losing anything we
don't already have. My thinking (when I thought I would have to replace
the drive with an exact duplicate) was that if I have to buy four new
drives, I might as well upgrade to bigger drives. Doesn't matter any
more. Thanks for the advice.

FYI: We've bought 7 drives from Lacie in the past 5 years (raids, NAS
and an expensive tape drive) and only the current drive is still
operating and it has started getting directory coruption. I will never
again buy another Lacie drive. They don't last and if you're not in
warranty, you are left hanging out to dry. Stay away from Lacie.


On 2010-07-14 13:33:26 -0500, mscotgrove(a)aol.com said:

> On Jul 14, 2:05�pm, Peter Kemp <peterk...(a)pkdesign.org> wrote:
>> I've had one of the drives in the RAID 5 setup fail on me. The drive is
>> over three years old and Lacie won't give any advice for customers with
>> out of warranty devices.
>>
>> The failed F800 drive uses a Maxtor DiamondMax 11 6H500R0 and Lacie
>> doesn't sell that drive anymore and it looks like the drive isn't
>> manufactured anymore. I found a refurbished one for $200.
>>
>> Here's the question(s): Can I replace this drive with any off the shelf
>> 500gb drive or does it need to be an exact replacement? Anyone know if
>> the F800 would recognize 4 new 1or 2 tb drives or am I limited to
>> adding 4 500gb drives like the RAID came with?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I would expect any make of drive to work. It may be safest to make it
> the same size, but in theory, a larger one will work, but the extra
> space will be ignored.
>
> As for replacing all drives with larger sizes, it may be a question of
> try it and see. It may depend on how well the raid handles
> addressing, and if you want a large say 3TB or 6TB drive (RAID 5) or
> if you want to partition it to 2TB stripes. XP does not handle more
> than 2TB out of the box, Vista and Windows 7 does. If you could
> 'borrow' some drives, it is worth a try.
>
> Michael
> www.cnwrecovery.com


From: Rod Speed on 16 Jul 2010 14:43
Peter Kemp wrote:

> Many thanks to all who replied to my inquiry.

> The drive is definately dead. I can hear the head clicking every
> second or so while it is running. Went to Frys's and the only ATA
> 500gb drive they had was a WD Caviar blue. Got the drive failed
> message using the new drive. I noticed that the old drive is an ATA
> 133 and the WD is a 100. Could that possibly be why the drive is
> failing to be recognized?

Nope. Its much more likely that what you are plugging the drive into has failed.

> According to the F800 manual, you can replace a failed drive with any
> drive the same size or larger.

Thats typical.

> For Arno: THis drive was used as a daily backup device and we were about due for a complete backup so we're not really
> losing anything we don't already have. My thinking (when I thought I would have to replace the drive with an exact
> duplicate) was that if I have to buy four new drives, I might as well upgrade to bigger drives. Doesn't matter any
> more. Thanks for the advice.

> FYI: We've bought 7 drives from Lacie in the past 5 years (raids, NAS and an expensive tape drive) and only the
> current drive is still
> operating and it has started getting directory coruption. I will never
> again buy another Lacie drive. They don't last and if you're not in
> warranty, you are left hanging out to dry. Stay away from Lacie.

I always have.

> On 2010-07-14 13:33:26 -0500, mscotgrove(a)aol.com said:
>
>> On Jul 14, 2:05 pm, Peter Kemp <peterk...(a)pkdesign.org> wrote:
>>> I've had one of the drives in the RAID 5 setup fail on me. The
>>> drive is over three years old and Lacie won't give any advice for
>>> customers with out of warranty devices.
>>>
>>> The failed F800 drive uses a Maxtor DiamondMax 11 6H500R0 and Lacie
>>> doesn't sell that drive anymore and it looks like the drive isn't
>>> manufactured anymore. I found a refurbished one for $200.
>>>
>>> Here's the question(s): Can I replace this drive with any off the
>>> shelf 500gb drive or does it need to be an exact replacement?
>>> Anyone know if the F800 would recognize 4 new 1or 2 tb drives or am
>>> I limited to adding 4 500gb drives like the RAID came with?
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> I would expect any make of drive to work. It may be safest to make
>> it the same size, but in theory, a larger one will work, but the
>> extra space will be ignored.
>>
>> As for replacing all drives with larger sizes, it may be a question
>> of try it and see. It may depend on how well the raid handles
>> addressing, and if you want a large say 3TB or 6TB drive (RAID 5) or
>> if you want to partition it to 2TB stripes. XP does not handle more
>> than 2TB out of the box, Vista and Windows 7 does. If you could
>> 'borrow' some drives, it is worth a try.
>>
>> Michael
>> www.cnwrecovery.com


From: Arno on 17 Jul 2010 10:11
Peter Kemp <peterkemp(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> Many thanks to all who replied to my inquiry.

> The drive is definately dead. I can hear the head clicking every second
> or so while it is running. Went to Frys's and the only ATA 500gb drive
> they had was a WD Caviar blue. Got the drive failed message using the
> new drive. I noticed that the old drive is an ATA 133 and the WD is a
> 100. Could that possibly be why the drive is failing to be recognized?

No. Possibly the new drive is too small. Drive size in a class
varies by up to something like 1% for diefferent models.

> According to the F800 manual, you can replace a failed drive with any
> drive the same size or larger.

Yes. But it needs to be byte exact same or larger size.

> For Arno: THis drive was used as a daily backup device and we were
> about due for a complete backup so we're not really losing anything we
> don't already have. My thinking (when I thought I would have to replace
> the drive with an exact duplicate) was that if I have to buy four new
> drives, I might as well upgrade to bigger drives. Doesn't matter any
> more. Thanks for the advice.

Ah, I see.

> FYI: We've bought 7 drives from Lacie in the past 5 years (raids, NAS
> and an expensive tape drive) and only the current drive is still
> operating and it has started getting directory coruption. I will never
> again buy another Lacie drive. They don't last and if you're not in
> warranty, you are left hanging out to dry. Stay away from Lacie.

I completely agree. They have replaced engineering with design.

Arno

> On 2010-07-14 13:33:26 -0500, mscotgrove(a)aol.com said:

>> On Jul 14, 2:05?pm, Peter Kemp <peterk...(a)pkdesign.org> wrote:
>>> I've had one of the drives in the RAID 5 setup fail on me. The drive is
>>> over three years old and Lacie won't give any advice for customers with
>>> out of warranty devices.
>>>
>>> The failed F800 drive uses a Maxtor DiamondMax 11 6H500R0 and Lacie
>>> doesn't sell that drive anymore and it looks like the drive isn't
>>> manufactured anymore. I found a refurbished one for $200.
>>>
>>> Here's the question(s): Can I replace this drive with any off the shelf
>>> 500gb drive or does it need to be an exact replacement? Anyone know if
>>> the F800 would recognize 4 new 1or 2 tb drives or am I limited to
>>> adding 4 500gb drives like the RAID came with?
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> I would expect any make of drive to work. It may be safest to make it
>> the same size, but in theory, a larger one will work, but the extra
>> space will be ignored.
>>
>> As for replacing all drives with larger sizes, it may be a question of
>> try it and see. It may depend on how well the raid handles
>> addressing, and if you want a large say 3TB or 6TB drive (RAID 5) or
>> if you want to partition it to 2TB stripes. XP does not handle more
>> than 2TB out of the box, Vista and Windows 7 does. If you could
>> 'borrow' some drives, it is worth a try.
>>
>> Michael
>> www.cnwrecovery.com



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