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From: Phil Weldon on 21 Nov 2006 09:06 'Protagonist' wrote: | You worry too much! | So far, all the advice you gave me, is like from a 5 year. | Why do you think my HD is failing? | Julius _____ Hey, you asked the question. Now you make fun of the suggestions you get. It's your data to lose ... have at it. Now to give you an answer to 'Why do you thing my HD is failing?' Because of the symptoms you describe. Hard drives have data error detection and correction function. When a errors are detected when reading data, the data is reread multiple times to try to get valid data. If this reread process is happening often, the exact symptoms you describe occur. Once the deteriorate in performance begins, it gets worse until finally the drive will not function at all. The proximate cause can either be deterioate of the magnetic recording surface or malfunctions of mechanical parts (head positioner solenoid, bearings, platter motor.) IT is only to be expected that a certain percentage of hard drive fail early in their designed lifespan. MTBF means exactly that, MEAN time before failure. The bulk of drives can be expected to fail very near MTBF, but some will have lifetimes on either tail of the curve. What you have is multiple disks spinning at 7200 rpm with a read head skimming only a few microns above a delicate recording surface, and that head is also rapidly across the disk when moving from track to track. A failure mode could be that there is momentary contact between the head and the recording surface. That location will have the oxide destroyed, and likely tiny bits of recording surface will break off and rattle around in the rotating disk container. Progressive deterioration begins, reads and writes take longer and longer, and more and more data is completely lost. You've gotten half a dozen good replies to your post, all of which tell you about the same thing. I'd guess that for the six who replied, the combined total of experience with computers is a hundred years or more - for me alone it's over forty years. Please post the result of your experiment. Phil Weldon "Protagonist" <szaki10(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:mYGdnehlTPmQXf_YnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d(a)comcast.com... | Phil Weldon wrote: | > 'Protagonist' wrote: | > | Thx Guys, got WinXP boot up for a while. Simple! | > | Using recovery boot disk, than Chkdsk /r. | > | | > http://brock.paramagnus.com/2006/10/another-windows-errorstop-0x000000ed.html | > | It fixes bad sectors/volum. | > | I say while, because it was very slow to boot after error checking, 20 | > | minuts or more, heavy HD activity, than a window massage poped up "page | > | file is missing go to control panel to set it up" or some thing like that. | > | Changed Page file/ vetiual memory managment to "auto" and every thing | > | got screwed up again, blue screen back at reboot. | > | So, I'm runnining Chkdsk /r again. Seems it's going over 50% now, but | > | very slow. | > | At very first Chkdsk /r, it only went to 50%, stopped and said Volume | > | has one or more errors. | > | Hope fully WinXP boots up better now and I leave what ever vertual | > | memory size window puts in. | > | First it was min 650 Meg max 1300? Meg. | > | Get back later! | > _____ | > | > Your hard drive is failing, and needs to be replaced as soon as possible, | > before you lose the entire contents! | > Also, be very careful about downloading any operating system files directly | > from an unknown source, and relying on a blog for information. You are | > playing with the future of your data. | > | > Phil Weldon | > | > | > "Protagonist" <szaki10(a)comcast.net> wrote in message | > news:wrednamj6b_CyfzYnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d(a)comcast.com... | > | Phil Weldon wrote: | > | > 'David H. Lipman' wrote: | > | > | Good Question Phil. | > | > | | > | > | Remove the one or two screws from the laptop that holds the hard disk | > bay | > | > and one can easily | > | > | see the manufacturer. | > | > | | > | > | I wouldn't say contacting HP Support is the "only way to go. | > | > | I had a Dell Latitude with a similar problem using an IBM TravelStar | > hard | > | > disk. | > | > | I used the IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test and it found and corrected | > bad | > | > sectors and the | > | > | Laptop was again bootable. | > | > _____ | > | > | > | > I'd still recommend HP support and the possibility of in warranty repair | > | > before removing the hard drive to obtain the manufacturer name. HP | > should | > | > have a record of all the components used to build the laptop in | > question, | > | > based on the serial number. | > | > | > | > Of course, then the question for the original poster becomes what to do | > if | > | > the drive warrants replacing; how to back up? I am not familiar with HP | > | > model numbers, so I don't know how old an HP 5500 is likely to be, and | > the | > | > likely warranty status. | > | > | > | > Phil Weldon | > | > | > | > | > | > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message | > | > news:Yj88h.4997$Uz.1491(a)trnddc05... | > | > | From: "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed(a)example.com> | > | > | | > | > | | > | > || | > | > || Uh, David, it's a laptop that will not boot. How does the original | > | > poster | > | > || know the correct hard drive manufacturer. And even if the original | > poster | > | > || CAN discover the hard drive manufacturer, contacting the laptop | > | > manufacturer | > | > || technical support is the only way to go. | > | > || | > | > || Phil Weldon | > | > || | > | > | | > | > | Good Question Phil. | > | > | | > | > | Remove the one or two screws from the laptop that holds the hard disk | > bay | > | > and one can easily | > | > | see the manufacturer. | > | > | | > | > | I wouldn't say contacting HP Support is the "only way to go. | > | > | I had a Dell Latitude with a similar problem using an IBM TravelStar | > hard | > | > disk. | > | > | I used the IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test and it found and corrected | > bad | > | > sectors and the | > | > | Laptop was again bootable. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Dave | > | > | http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html | > | > | http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Thx Guys, got WinXP boot up for a while. Simple! | > | Using recovery boot disk
From: - Bobb - on 21 Nov 2006 16:37 "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed(a)example.com> wrote in message news:7KD8h.1647$1s6.307(a)newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > 'Protagonist' wrote: > | You worry too much! > | So far, all the advice you gave me, is like from a 5 year. > | Why do you think my HD is failing? > | Julius > _____ > > Hey, you asked the question. Now you make fun of the suggestions you > get. > It's your data to lose ... have at it. > > You've gotten half a dozen good replies to your post, all of which > tell you > about the same thing. I'd guess that for the six who replied, the > combined > total of experience with computers is a hundred years or more - for me > alone > it's over forty years. > > Please post the result of your experiment. > > Phil Weldon > Wow you're an old geezer . Only 32 yrs for me. bobb > "Protagonist" <szaki10(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:mYGdnehlTPmQXf_YnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > | Phil Weldon wrote: > | > 'Protagonist' wrote: > | > | Thx Guys, got WinXP boot up for a while. Simple! > | > | Using recovery boot disk, than Chkdsk /r. > | > | > | > > http://brock.paramagnus.com/2006/10/another-windows-errorstop-0x000000ed.html > | > | It fixes bad sectors/volum. > | > | I say while, because it was very slow to boot after error > checking, 20 > | > | minuts or more, heavy HD activity, than a window massage poped > up > "page > | > | file is missing go to control panel to set it up" or some thing > like > that. > | > | Changed Page file/ vetiual memory managment to "auto" and every > thing > | > | got screwed up again, blue screen back at reboot. > | > | So, I'm runnining Chkdsk /r again. Seems it's going over 50% > now, but > | > | very slow. > | > | At very first Chkdsk /r, it only went to 50%, stopped and said > Volume > | > | has one or more errors. > | > | Hope fully WinXP boots up better now and I leave what ever > vertual > | > | memory size window puts in. > | > | First it was min 650 Meg max 1300? Meg. > | > | Get back later! > | > _____ > | > > | > Your hard drive is failing, and needs to be replaced as soon as > possible, > | > before you lose the entire contents! > | > Also, be very careful about downloading any operating system files > directly > | > from an unknown source, and relying on a blog for information. > You are > | > playing with the future of your data. > | > > | > Phil Weldon > | > > | > > | > "Protagonist" <szaki10(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > | > news:wrednamj6b_CyfzYnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > | > | Phil Weldon wrote: > | > | > 'David H. Lipman' wrote: > | > | > | Good Question Phil. > | > | > | > | > | > | Remove the one or two screws from the laptop that holds the > hard > disk > | > bay > | > | > and one can easily > | > | > | see the manufacturer. > | > | > | > | > | > | I wouldn't say contacting HP Support is the "only way to go. > | > | > | I had a Dell Latitude with a similar problem using an IBM > TravelStar > | > hard > | > | > disk. > | > | > | I used the IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test and it found and > corrected > | > bad > | > | > sectors and the > | > | > | Laptop was again bootable. > | > | > _____ > | > | > > | > | > I'd still recommend HP support and the possibility of in > warranty > repair > | > | > before removing the hard drive to obtain the manufacturer > name. HP > | > should > | > | > have a record of all the components used to build the laptop > in > | > question, > | > | > based on the serial number. > | > | > > | > | > Of course, then the question for the original poster becomes > what to > do > | > if > | > | > the drive warrants replacing; how to back up? I am not > familiar > with HP > | > | > model numbers, so I don't know how old an HP 5500 is likely to > be, > and > | > the > | > | > likely warranty status. > | > | > > | > | > Phil Weldon > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in > message > | > | > news:Yj88h.4997$Uz.1491(a)trnddc05... > | > | > | From: "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed(a)example.com> > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > || > | > | > || Uh, David, it's a laptop that will not boot. How does the > original > | > | > poster > | > | > || know the correct hard drive manufacturer. And even if the > original > | > poster > | > | > || CAN discover the hard drive manufacturer, contacting the > laptop > | > | > manufacturer > | > | > || technical support is the only way to go. > | > | > || > | > | > || Phil Weldon > | > | > || > | > | > | > | > | > | Good Question Phil. > | > | > | > | > | > | Remove the one or two screws from the laptop that holds the > hard > disk > | > bay > | > | > and one can easily > | > | > | see the manufacturer. > | > | > | > | > | > | I wouldn't say contacting HP Support is the "only way to go. > | > | > | I had a Dell Latitude with a similar problem using an IBM > TravelStar > | > hard > | > | > disk. > | > | > | I used the IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test and it found and > corrected > | > bad > | > | > sectors and the > | > | > | Laptop was again bootable. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Dave > | > | > | http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > | > | > | http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | Thx Guys, got WinXP boot up for a while. Simple! > | > | Using recovery boot disk, than Chkdsk /r. > | > | > | > > http://brock.paramagnus.com/2006/10/another-windows-errorstop-0x000000ed.html > | > | It fixes bad sectors/volum. > | > | I say while, because it was very slow to boot after error > checking, 20 > | > | minuts or more, heavy HD activity, than a window massage poped > up > "page > | > | file is missing go to control panel to set it up" or some thing > like > that. > | > | Changed Page file/ vetiual memory managment to "auto" and every > thing > | > | got screwed up again, blue screen back at reboot. > | > | So, I'm runnining Chkdsk /r again. Seems it's going over 50% > now, but > | > | very slow. > | > | At very first Chkdsk /r, it only went to 50%, stopped and said > Volume > | > | has one or more errors. > | > | Hope fully WinXP boots up better now and I leave what ever > vertual > | > | memory size window puts in. > | > | First it was min 650 Meg max 1300? Meg. > | > | Get back later! > | > > | > > | You worry to
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