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Darwin123 <drosen0000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have looked into all sorts of dyes. There is a lot of information
> on the spectroscopy of dyes provided by chemical companies that make
> laser dyes. Once, I was really interested in infrared dyes. I wanted
> to study fluorescence at infrared wavelengths. I noticed something
> really interesting that I have no model for.
> Dyes with short emission wavelengths usually have a large Stokes
> shift. That is, the peak of their exicitation spectrum lies at a much
> shorter wavelength than the peak of their emission spectrum. However,
> IR dyes have almost no Stokes shift. Their emission spectrum and
> excitation spectrum have almost total overlap. They peak at the same
> wavelength.
> Stokes shift is caused by phonons (i.e., vibrations). When an
> electron in an electronic excited state relaxes, goes into the
> electronic ground state. However, it doesn't necessarily go into the
> vibrational ground state. Some of the energy in the excited electron
> state goes into making the molecule vibrate. That cause the emission
> photon to generally be lower in energy than the excitation photon.
> Somehow, the vibration is being suppressed in dye molecules
> which have a small difference in electronic energies. I am not sure
> why this is so.
> I would love to have a model that explains that, even a rough one.
> It sounds like we may be talking about the same phenomenon.

I am not a professional chemist. I also change the subject line to start
a new thread.

The first Q-switching dyes were low soluble pthalocyanines and silver
halide photo-sensitizers. My thought was that laser Q-switch operation
would lead to multiple excitation of the dye until the the molecule
disintegrated. Such a cascade would be easier to excite for an infrared
dye compared to short wavelength dye.

Then, some IBM researchers came up with a nickel complex dye abbreviated
BDN bis-(4-dimethylaminodithiobenzil)-nickel for 1.06 microns. It was
much more photostable than other Q-switching dyes of the day. The US
Army was sponsoring development of longer wavelength dyes. This was more
than 20 years ago and I lost track of the developments.

If this is of interest to you, we can have more discussion.

Bill

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