Lens question
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From: Ray Fischer on 4 Nov 2009 23:01 Outing Trolls is FUN! <otif(a)trollouters.org> wrote: >On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:00:24 -0600, Outing Trolls is FUN! ><otif(a)trollouters.org> wrote: > >> >>Taken about 5-10 minutes after sunset in a dark overgrown cypress-swamp @ >>330mm, f2.4, 1/10s, ISO200, with a hand-held P&S camera, no image >>stabilization in that camera either. > >For anyone that still might doubt the ambient light levels, Everyone doubts your sanity, troll. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Bob Larter on 5 Nov 2009 07:54 Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:17:11 -0800 (PST), -hh > <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > >> the lame Copy & Paste troll writes: >>> -hh <recscuba_goo...(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ...but the shots aren't comparable in several ways, not the least of >>>> which is that it represents 'worst case' conditions... >>> And there was a stone in your shoe, your girdle was too tight, you forgot >>> your glasses, there was a string broken in your tennis racket, and your >>> shoelace was untied ... yadda yadda yadda ... >> Try to make whatever lame excuses you want, but the reality is that I >> also had a new digital P&S with me, yet what I chose to put online >> years before this debate as the better shot wasn't one from the P&S. > > BETTER?? LOL!!!!!!!!! > >> And naturally, we can expect to never see any image from you that >> represents something comparable...call it a long telephoto at a gloomy >> & flat EV 5-9 lighting (semitropical cloud forest), which is far >> revmoved from the nice and bright EV 14-16 that was present in John's >> sunlit shot. >> >> -hh > > Yet shadows are clearly seen in your photo because it was *SO* far removed > from sunlight. LOL! (Yet he thinks he can get away with his DSLR-Trolls' > bullshit as often as he does.) > > And the stone was in your shoe, your girdle was too tight yadda yadda > yadda... LOL! > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4075539835_e91b811770_o.jpg Jeez, do you think you could over-sharpen that tiny shot even more? ROTFL. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 5 Nov 2009 07:58 nospam wrote: > In article <4af0e434$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter > <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> John just likes to play his little word games, and he doesn't care if he >>>> is >>>> even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone the same ball park. >>> that's exactly what it is. word games. technically you can upgrade a >>> car, even though virtually nobody does it. >> And technically, buying a new lens for your DSLR is 'upgrading' it. > > or downgrading it, depending on the lens :) There is that, of course. OTOH, you can also swap in a new memory card, or bolt on a better flash gun, all of which count as upgrades. > although you can't swap out the cpu in a camera, there have been memory > or other hardware upgrades for some older dslrs. > > you can also add new features with a firmware upgrade. for example, the > 2.0 firmware on the nikon d70 added all of the features in the nikon > d70s that did not require a change in hardware, such as a wired remote > jack. Indeed. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 5 Nov 2009 08:00 nospam wrote: > In article <4af0e3bf$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter > <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> By that same logic, one can upgrade one's DSLR by buying a new lens or >> flash gun for it. You can't do that with your P&S. > > there are add on accessory lenses and if there's a hotshoe or pc > socket, an external flash can be used. worst case, use a slave. *snicker* Yeah, *snort* I suppose *chuckle* you could do that. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: -hh on 5 Nov 2009 10:00
Bob Larter <bobbylar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > nospam wrote: > > > > there are add on accessory lenses and if there's a hotshoe or pc > > socket, an external flash can be used. worst case, use a slave. > > *snicker* Yeah, *snort* I suppose *chuckle* you could do that. Slaves do have shortcomings, but they can be made to work in some circumstances...merely not as capable as a properly wired strobe. When it comes to slave-triggering off of a built-in strobe in a P&S, the application can be very critical: for example, in underwater photography, one generally maximizes the lens-strobe separation distance so as to minimize backscatter. Unfortunately, the general necessity of allowing the P&S's built-in to fire so as to trigger a slave effectively assures that in-water particulates will definitely be fully illuminated, thereby introducing a "snow storm" of backscatter from plankton/etc which effectively destroys the composition. I have some P&S+slave photos from my 2007 manta ray dive if anyone wants to see posted an illustration as to how severe this "snow storm" backscatter problem can be on what otherwise appeared to be innocuous appearing water conditions.. -hh |