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From: Hector Santos on 15 May 2010 15:58 Small update that reports authentication is needed: http://beta.winserver.com/public/files/getnewsgroups11.zip Example: getnewsgroups privatenews.microsoft.com * ----------------------------------------- * Host Server : privatenews.microsoft.com # Waiting for Welcome # Creating newsgroup file: privatenews.microsoft.com.newsgroups # Waiting for list newsgroups 480 Logon Required # Quiting -- HLS Hector Santos wrote: > Here is a tool you can download that allows you to grab a LIST from NTTP > servers. Do it on so call usenet server and you will see that not all > of them are the same. > > http://beta.winserver.com/public/files/getnewsgroups.zip > > with: > > Archive: getnewsgroups.zip > Length Date Time Name > ------ ---- ---- ---- > 65536 05-11-10 23:38 GetNewsgroups.exe > ------ ------- > 65536 1 > > for help: > > GetNewsgroups /? > > example usage: > > GetNewsGroups msnews.microsoft.com > GetNewsGroups news.ett.com.ua > GetNewsGroups news.aioe.org > > A file *.newsgroup for will created for the host name provided. > > If you wanted to just see if one has microsoft.public.*, > > GetNewsGroups {host} /out:{host}.newsgroups /hier:microsoft.public.* > > -- > HLS
From: Peter Olcott on 15 May 2010 16:46 "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:u7wqBpE9KHA.5464(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Bert Hyman wrote: > >> In news:A-adnbTafdFTKnPWnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com >> "Peter Olcott" >> <NoSpam(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote: >>> A link that Hector provided indicated that the last step >>> will be to send a delete message to all servers such >>> that the actual newsgroups will be deleted unless >>> specific action is taken to make sure to ignore this >>> message. >> >> Every reference I've seen was to an individual, Juli?n >> ?lie, who's not >> connected to Microsoft and has chosen to issue these >> messages on his >> own. "Control articles for that hierarchy are not issued >> by Microsoft >> itself but by a Usenet active participant in >> order to improve >> the quality of the propagation of Microsoft >> newsgroups." >> >> http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=MICROSOFT >> >> The management of at least one public server has >> indicated that he'll be >> ignoring any control messages originating from that >> source. > > > UseNet is a basically a "LIST" file that list > > Once nodes that honor control commands automatically > (meaning by people that don't sit at their servers > deciding who to keep or not), especially the main > "backbone" ones, they will slowly be OFF the network of > nodes withing "USENET." > > Which basically means that there will less "servers" that > people will find that carry them and only those smaller > network links will exchange mail will have it, like that > one server you mentioned. He might want to keep them > around if only to keep the appearance of "richness" for > his peer links, but empty groups are not rich. > > Again it is a LIST. Overall these smaller "network" still > keeping older copies of the "LIST" peering off main chains > or one or two hops off the main chains, the giganews.com > and others like it, they may have the LIST but no or > lesser articles will be seen. Once its off the main > ones, the microsoft.* groups will be for all intent and > purposes - gone. What are we going to do? I already looked at the Microsoft sponsored forums, and there doe not seem to be anything like microsoft.public.vc.mfc > > http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/67439c68236e7e35# > http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/e9ec576003ce3fab# > > -- > HLS
From: Peter Olcott on 15 May 2010 16:53 MFC Forum http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.vc.mfc&lang=en&cr=US "Peter Olcott" <NoSpam(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message news:676dnWmsjomzlXLWnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in > message news:u7wqBpE9KHA.5464(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Bert Hyman wrote: >> >>> In news:A-adnbTafdFTKnPWnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com >>> "Peter Olcott" >>> <NoSpam(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote: >>>> A link that Hector provided indicated that the last >>>> step will be to send a delete message to all servers >>>> such that the actual newsgroups will be deleted unless >>>> specific action is taken to make sure to ignore this >>>> message. >>> >>> Every reference I've seen was to an individual, Juli?n >>> ?lie, who's not >>> connected to Microsoft and has chosen to issue these >>> messages on his >>> own. "Control articles for that hierarchy are not issued >>> by Microsoft >>> itself but by a Usenet active participant in >>> order to improve >>> the quality of the propagation of Microsoft >>> newsgroups." >>> >>> http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=MICROSOFT >>> >>> The management of at least one public server has >>> indicated that he'll be >>> ignoring any control messages originating from that >>> source. >> >> >> UseNet is a basically a "LIST" file that list >> >> Once nodes that honor control commands automatically >> (meaning by people that don't sit at their servers >> deciding who to keep or not), especially the main >> "backbone" ones, they will slowly be OFF the network of >> nodes withing "USENET." >> >> Which basically means that there will less "servers" that >> people will find that carry them and only those smaller >> network links will exchange mail will have it, like that >> one server you mentioned. He might want to keep them >> around if only to keep the appearance of "richness" for >> his peer links, but empty groups are not rich. >> >> Again it is a LIST. Overall these smaller "network" still >> keeping older copies of the "LIST" peering off main >> chains or one or two hops off the main chains, the >> giganews.com and others like it, they may have the LIST >> but no or lesser articles will be seen. Once its off >> the main ones, the microsoft.* groups will be for all >> intent and purposes - gone. > > What are we going to do? > > I already looked at the Microsoft sponsored forums, and > there doe not seem to be anything like > microsoft.public.vc.mfc > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/67439c68236e7e35# >> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/thread/e9ec576003ce3fab# >> >> -- >> HLS > >
From: Hector Santos on 15 May 2010 17:58 Peter Olcott wrote: > > What are we going to do? > well, we don't know what will happen until the msnews.microsoft.com is turned off. For now, for people using this server, you can wait or go find another server. Looks like you are a subscriber to news.giganews.com so you will be best off than most at getting a lot of downlinks (peers off giganews.com) participation. When its turned off (the server), we don't know how much input came from this until it happen. Then after its turned off, the question if the hierarchy is removed which by all indication, the plan is to remove them. That means, giganews.com MANY not have them any more. It depends on how giganews.com is getting the "LIST" from. We just don't know what the true impact will be until it all happens. I call tell you that microsoft can "Measure" it by determining how many different users and host systems connect to it. I can imagine that their decision was partly based this this rate was slowing down. So the lesser connections they were getting the more it meant there servers were not needed any more. Finally, I personally thing Microsoft does not/has not or has and is just waiting to understand the impact of keeping or effectively donating their name sake "microsoft.*" to the public domain. It can become a trademarking issue if their is a "Confusion" in regard to a massive deterioration of QOM (quality of mail) in these public domain microsoft.public.* groups. I can tell that that we make no association whatsoever to the alt.bbs.wildcat for that reason. We were happen early on but when it got out of hand, we broke ties with it. I personally didn't want to keep it, but I didn't bother with it. I still don't like it it there, but we didn't create it and there is own eco-net already created for it outside of USENET. But can a Microsoft make more demands (request) to get it remove usene? Don't be surprise if they ask and want it to be removed and might eventually put a disclaimer somewhere saying: "note: Microsoft has no relationship with the usenet microsoft.* newsgroups. Customers seeking quality Microsoft support should use the MS FORUMS or the privatenews.microsoft.com for partners and current MSDN subscribers." Whatever. You're fine for now. Otherwise with usenet feed access outside of msnew.microsoft.com are fine. Who knows what the impact will be until it happens. Personally, I think it creates an opportunity for an operator out there to leverage this situation to help promote this web site and hosting services, even creating his own "MyBusiness.Mirosoft.*" group and allow other servers what want to cater to microsoft support via NNTP to peer off it, in essence creating its own 3rd party Social Network for Microsoft support. If I had the time and energy, I know I would look into it myself. -- HLS
From: Faisal on 17 May 2010 01:28
On May 16, 1:46 am, "Peter Olcott" <NoS...(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote: > "Hector Santos" <sant9...(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:u7wqBpE9KHA.5464(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > > > > Bert Hyman wrote: > > >> Innews:A-adnbTafdFTKnPWnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com > >> "Peter Olcott" > >> <NoS...(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote: > >>> A link that Hector provided indicated that the last step > >>> will be to send a delete message to all servers such > >>> that the actual newsgroups will be deleted unless > >>> specific action is taken to make sure to ignore this > >>> message. > > >> Every reference I've seen was to an individual, Juli?n > >> ?lie, who's not > >> connected to Microsoft and has chosen to issue these > >> messages on his > >> own. "Control articles for that hierarchy are not issued > >> by Microsoft > >> itself but by a Usenet active participant in > >> order to improve > >> the quality of the propagation of Microsoft > >> newsgroups." > > >>http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=MICROSOFT > > >> The management of at least one public server has > >> indicated that he'll be > >> ignoring any control messages originating from that > >> source. > > > UseNet is a basically a "LIST" file that list > > > Once nodes that honor control commands automatically > > (meaning by people that don't sit at their servers > > deciding who to keep or not), especially the main > > "backbone" ones, they will slowly be OFF the network of > > nodes withing "USENET." > > > Which basically means that there will less "servers" that > > people will find that carry them and only those smaller > > network links will exchange mail will have it, like that > > one server you mentioned. He might want to keep them > > around if only to keep the appearance of "richness" for > > his peer links, but empty groups are not rich. > > > Again it is a LIST. Overall these smaller "network" still > > keeping older copies of the "LIST" peering off main chains > > or one or two hops off the main chains, the giganews.com > > and others like it, they may have the LIST but no or > > lesser articles will be seen. Once its off the main > > ones, the microsoft.* groups will be for all intent and > > purposes - gone. > > What are we going to do? > > I already looked at the Microsoft sponsored forums, and > there doe not seem to be anything like > microsoft.public.vc.mfc http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/t... > >http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.hierarchies/browse_thread/t... > > > -- > > HLS |