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From: Peter T. Daniels on 3 Jun 2010 07:19
But most people _don't_ insert their columniation after the document
is finished; they will insert section breaks as they're typing along,
and if there's a two-column passage less than one page long, they will
likely encounter the problem Pamelia explains how to cure.

Your procedure works, as she said, only in the simplest cases. She
didn't suggest that what you said is "untrue," only that it's true
only a small part of the time.

On Jun 3, 6:54 am, CyberTaz <onlygeneralt...(a)com.cast.net> wrote:
> On 6/2/10 10:09 PM, in article a8f3c0034116a(a)uwe, "Pamelia Caswell  via
>
> OfficeKB.com" <u43222(a)uwe> wrote:
> > CyberTaz wrote:
> >> The fact remains, though, that the imposition of Continuous section breaks
> >> -- or any other type -- neither inherently disrupts the continuity of
> >> Headers or Footers, nor interferes with page numbering. Further, it makes
> >> absolutely no difference whether the CSBs span a single empty paragraph or
> >> multiple pages... or even whether there are several CSBs on a single page.
>
> > I very much disagree with you on this point. Try this:  in a new document
> > header, add the page number code and set the page numbering to start at 22.
> > Add page breaks until you get to page 26.  Add some text, select it, and make
> > it double column.  Add a page break after the text.  The next page number
> > shown will be 23.
>
> You don't seem to realize that you have done nothing here but reinforce the
> very points I am making. I would never consider doing any such hatchet job
> for experimental or any other purpose. *Anything* can be expected to fail if
> it's jerry-rigged to do so. If you want a *valid* test of what I'm saying:
>
> 1- Create the new document & populate it with =rand(40,17),
> 2- Create you Header/Footer & include page numbers,
> 3- Select as many portions as you wish, each of whatever length you prefer &
> apply your columnar layout as you go.
>
> There will be NO disruption to the H/F or page numbering. This is what the
> OP was attempting to do. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.
>
> If you then want to hack at it in the manner you describe [i.e., "Add a page
> break after the text."] I can't be held accountable for the consequences....
> Nor can the original section breaks.
>
>
>
> > The band-aid fix is to change 23 to 27.  But later changes to the document
> > that cause section 3 to cross pages will bring the page number problem back.
> > The better fix is to go to the header for section 3 (& any later sections, as
> > appropriate) and set the page number start value to continuous.
> > The best "fix" is to understand that Word replicates section settings in new
> > sections and to fix it before leaving the page.
>
> ... Or to avoid creating such a shambles in the first place. Quite frankly,
> though, when I have to rework a document that has been mismanaged as badly
> as what you describe I consider the "best fix" to reconstruct it.
>
> You've conveniently snipped the last paragraph of my reply which pertains to
> every aspect of your response, so I'll reinsert it here:
>
> >>> I don't doubt that you may have had to "fix such documents", but it isn't
> >>> the fault of the section breaks that the documents needed fixing. It's how
> >>> the sections were mangled that caused the breakage.
From: Doug Robbins - Word MVP on 3 Jun 2010 07:42
A perhaps more common example could have been given, but I would not call
that "jerry-rigged" at all.

It is not uncommon to have a document with a cover page, an
introduction/table of contents on pages numbered with roman numerals and the
main body of the document numbered with arabic numbers starting at 1.

That is unless you call what has to be done to come up with that arrangement
"jerry-rigging"

If the page numbering in the main body of the document is formatted to start
at 1 rather than Continue from the previous section and then a section break
is inserted into the body of the document for what ever reason (change of
orientation, etc.), the numbering in the new section will start
automatically start at 1.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP, originally posted via msnews.microsoft.com

"CyberTaz" <onlygeneraltaz1(a)com.cast.net> wrote in message
news:C82D023A.5FD27%onlygeneraltaz1(a)com.cast.net...
>
>
>
> On 6/2/10 10:09 PM, in article a8f3c0034116a(a)uwe, "Pamelia Caswell via
> OfficeKB.com" <u43222(a)uwe> wrote:
>
>> CyberTaz wrote:
>>> The fact remains, though, that the imposition of Continuous section
>>> breaks
>>> -- or any other type -- neither inherently disrupts the continuity of
>>> Headers or Footers, nor interferes with page numbering. Further, it
>>> makes
>>> absolutely no difference whether the CSBs span a single empty paragraph
>>> or
>>> multiple pages... or even whether there are several CSBs on a single
>>> page.
>>
>> I very much disagree with you on this point. Try this: in a new document
>> header, add the page number code and set the page numbering to start at
>> 22.
>> Add page breaks until you get to page 26. Add some text, select it, and
>> make
>> it double column. Add a page break after the text. The next page number
>> shown will be 23.
>
> You don't seem to realize that you have done nothing here but reinforce
> the
> very points I am making. I would never consider doing any such hatchet job
> for experimental or any other purpose. *Anything* can be expected to fail
> if
> it's jerry-rigged to do so. If you want a *valid* test of what I'm saying:
>
> 1- Create the new document & populate it with =rand(40,17),
> 2- Create you Header/Footer & include page numbers,
> 3- Select as many portions as you wish, each of whatever length you prefer
> &
> apply your columnar layout as you go.
>
> There will be NO disruption to the H/F or page numbering. This is what the
> OP was attempting to do. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.
>
> If you then want to hack at it in the manner you describe [i.e., "Add a
> page
> break after the text."] I can't be held accountable for the
> consequences...
> Nor can the original section breaks.
>
>>
>> The band-aid fix is to change 23 to 27. But later changes to the
>> document
>> that cause section 3 to cross pages will bring the page number problem
>> back.
>> The better fix is to go to the header for section 3 (& any later
>> sections, as
>> appropriate) and set the page number start value to continuous.
>> The best "fix" is to understand that Word replicates section settings in
>> new
>> sections and to fix it before leaving the page.
>
> ... Or to avoid creating such a shambles in the first place. Quite
> frankly,
> though, when I have to rework a document that has been mismanaged as badly
> as what you describe I consider the "best fix" to reconstruct it.
>
> You've conveniently snipped the last paragraph of my reply which pertains
> to
> every aspect of your response, so I'll reinsert it here:
>
>>>> I don't doubt that you may have had to "fix such documents", but it
>>>> isn't
>>>> the fault of the section breaks that the documents needed fixing. It's
>>>> how
>>>> the sections were mangled that caused the breakage.
>>
>>
>> Pam
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
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